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Vizigoth04 said:
LethalP said:

We all know PS1 and PS2 only sold because they played CD/DVD's, and the PS3 proved that without the help of the new hot multimedia format (Blu-Ray was luke warm), PlayStation sales weren't all that hot, yaus? So it's strange to see Sony's gaming centric approach push the PS4 to these levels of success previously only seen on consoles with fads at their forefront (like CD, like DVD, like motion controls, touch screen etc.).

Maybe it's something else not game related selling the PS4? Because after all, no console in the history of ever sold the way PS4 is without some out-of-the-norm novelty compared to it's competition. So either PS1/2 sold for the same reason PS4 is, the library, or PS4 is an unseen anomoly in the gaming industry? Interesting stuff.

This is one of the dorkiest claims I've read of all discussions. I can understand discussions on hot new games, sales, hell my consoles is better than yours arguments. This though is just pure awful and you know that.

Hows it dorky? It's fundamental information sir.



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Barkley said:
I'm sure it's doing fine.

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Ganoncrotch said:

The PS4 is selling like this because of the X1 reveal. IMO.

That reveal was just an absolute disaster, they left the door wide open for Sony in all markets, even their tightly held US. So yeah... the PS4's Gimmick was Smartglass, TV integration, DDR3 memory, empty promises of cloud power (remember that?), always online, no more trading of games, Kinect always kinected (remember that?), moving all games from the console to Games for Windows Live 10, but yeah... for Sony the handy thing is, all those ideas were on the systems main rival.

I bought a PS3 after that reveal, and a PS4 soon after launch, after being a X360 fan all last gen.

Well not exactly.

PS3 at the end of it's gen had much hearts and mind share due to the high quality exclusive releases at the end of that gen. Where as 360 near the end was forgotten from MS with exclusives. Along with sour taste in peoples mouths with the RLOD on 360.

Then yes MS with it's $100 more DRM in place, gotta have Kinetic for it to work lie. Did not help.

Plus Sony showing the roadmap of Exclusive games coming within the next 3 years plus deals with 3rd party AAA games DLC first to PS4.

And now 3 years later with all the P4 Exclusive games coming out with all the mind share and installed base, it's just a snowball effect till at least next gen if not longer as long as Sony does not fumble the ball to PS5 in 2020.

 



CGI-Quality said:
DivinePaladin said:
The whole PS2 succeeding because of the DVD boom is a bit of a history rewrite, which only really popped up after Sony itself claimed around the PS3's launch that the PS2 pioneered DVD. Cheap DVD players were already becoming popular in some households before the PS2 launch - the PS2 didn't seem to have a super tangible effect on this outside of giving gamers an excuse to buy DVDs.

Of course at this point we can't prove either side is more correct with more detailed data that we just don't have, so the PS2 succeeding because of a "fad" is a claim that can just be thrown around!

The PS4 doesn't need to be special compared to the others in the 100m club, it doesn't need an extra ego stroke or to take shots at its older brothers or the Nintendo systems to feel better. If we really want to start defining fads, I can guarantee each of the highest selling systems moved many units to those that don't usually buy systems just due to word of mouth, popularity, or because it was a status symbol. My buddy's non-gamer dad owns a Switch because it's popular, and I believe coincidentally also had a PS2 for that same reason!

Well said.

Yeah and no, the PS2 DVD thing comes always up in combination with Japan + Dreamcast.  https://youtu.be/e27kjhZXQqE?t=21s







LethalP said:
Vizigoth04 said:

This is one of the dorkiest claims I've read of all discussions. I can understand discussions on hot new games, sales, hell my consoles is better than yours arguments. This though is just pure awful and you know that.

Hows it dorky? It's fundamental information sir.

Maybe you are trying to say now that your OP was sarcasm and I get that. Innovation such as CD drive, DVD drive or Blu-ray or even cartridge isn't fad. It's experiment with Technology. Using different times of medium to can have different cost and different perks. Sony sold CD/DVD/Blu-ray players separately as well. Those wouldn't be fads either. Just gains in Technology. It seems as though the next gains if you call them that would be Digital Distribution. A fad is a fidget spinner, a yoyo, or bell bottoms. Some come back. Others don't. But CD players don't come back at all. They're obsolete in the entertainment and technology industry.



I think the PS4 is selling so well because it’s a powerful system for a great price.



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zippy said:

This probably won't go down well, but complete lack of competition also helps. Don't get me wrong Sony have done great but let's not pretend Nintendo and Microsoft didn't make major mis-steps.

To say there's a complete lack of competition is overstating the reality of the situation. Xbox is the current weak link, and they're doing well enough. I'm REALLY interested to see if the Switch can maintain it's momentum, if for no other reason than it's sales potential has been such a massively contentious topic on this site. I do agree that Sony has made the best moves this gen. It's almost impossible to argue that point.



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Ucouldntbemorewrong said:
Barkley said:
I'm sure it's doing fine.

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Ganoncrotch said:

The PS4 is selling like this because of the X1 reveal. IMO.

That reveal was just an absolute disaster, they left the door wide open for Sony in all markets, even their tightly held US. So yeah... the PS4's Gimmick was Smartglass, TV integration, DDR3 memory, empty promises of cloud power (remember that?), always online, no more trading of games, Kinect always kinected (remember that?), moving all games from the console to Games for Windows Live 10, but yeah... for Sony the handy thing is, all those ideas were on the systems main rival.

I bought a PS3 after that reveal, and a PS4 soon after launch, after being a X360 fan all last gen.

Well not exactly.

PS3 at the end of it's gen had much hearts and mind share due to the high quality exclusive releases at the end of that gen. Where as 360 near the end was forgotten from MS with exclusives. Along with sour taste in peoples mouths with the RLOD on 360.

Then yes MS with it's $100 more DRM in place, gotta have Kinetic for it to work lie. Did not help.

Plus Sony showing the roadmap of Exclusive games coming within the next 3 years plus deals with 3rd party AAA games DLC first to PS4.

And now 3 years later with all the P4 Exclusive games coming out with all the mind share and installed base, it's just a snowball effect till at least next gen if not longer as long as Sony does not fumble the ball to PS5 in 2020.

 

With full BC poised to become the norm in the next round, and digital purchases being bigger than ever, this gen will see a "carry over" effect that's stronger than it's ever been in past generations. Building a customer base has never been more important than it is now, especially for Sony and MS. It would take a monumental series of fuck ups for a gamer to abandon their favorite ecosystem at this point. Nintendo is not exempt of course, but they do exist in a slightly different space. Still competitors, but they are more apt to be paired with a Sony or MS console, as opposed to somebody buying an Xbox and Playstation combo. MS REALLY fucked up more than anybody else. I don't see how they ever get back to XB360 numbers, which, make no mistake, were somewhat padded due to it's high failure rate, and subsequently higher than normal levels of recurrent purchases.

Last edited by COKTOE - on 28 December 2017

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i think it was somthing from all, good price point from the start (sony learned from ps3), really good first party games, good third party deals



Games sell consoles, not a fad.



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LethalP said:

We all know PS1 and PS2 only sold because they played CD/DVD's, and the PS3 proved that without the help of the new hot multimedia format (Blu-Ray was luke warm), PlayStation sales weren't all that hot, yaus? So it's strange to see Sony's gaming centric approach push the PS4 to these levels of success previously only seen on consoles with fads at their forefront (like CD, like DVD, like motion controls, touch screen etc.).

Maybe it's something else not game related selling the PS4? Because after all, no console in the history of ever sold the way PS4 is without some out-of-the-norm novelty compared to it's competition. So either PS1/2 sold for the same reason PS4 is, the library, or PS4 is an unseen anomoly in the gaming industry? Interesting stuff.

The NES.  Going by market share it actually sold even better than PS4 (90% market share in peak years).  All it did is play games.  Also every Nintendo handheld is basically the same story.