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deskpro2k3 said:

Some women would say catcalling is a form of sexual harassment/assault. I don't know exactly what took place there but this happens everywhere, and most of the time it is blamed on what they're wearing.

The rapes on the other hand is a serious issue though, they need to get cought and put in jail, but for catcalling oh please. Expect catcalling if you wear a mini skirt with some asscheek hanging out lol.

You expect people to respect you whether you are wearing a miniskirt or hooker clothes, makeup, nails, accessories etc and mistake them for prostitutes or sex-driven kittens just like people shouldn't be calling out a person wearing nerdy clothes cause that doesn't mean that they are living inside their parents' basements.



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Aielyn said:
kurasakiichimaru said:
"in an interview on Russian TV, according to Breitbart."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/206828

 

Israelnationalnews.com is Arutz Sheva, a right-wing, nationalist "religious zionist" paper in Israel. They're referencing Breitbart, an ultra-right-wing source in America that is itself supposedly referencing an interview on Russian TV. And this is about a German Imam...

You have to start asking questions when such a combination happens. You can't take things as fact when they can't even directly quote the supposed source, but instead have to quote someone who is supposedly quoting the source.

Breitbart has invented stories from whole cloth, so to speak, before - for instance, look up the "Friends of Hamas" story, where Breitbart asserted that Chuck Hagel was paid to speak in front of a group called "Friends of Hamas". It turns out that no such group exists. They had heard a sarcastic comment by a reporter, asking it as a way to say "what has Hagel done that is anti-Israel, anyway?", and that was all it took for them to create an entire story.

 

Which isn't to say that this is a fake story. What it does say is that you need to be more careful about your own sourcing. Sources that have ongoing, well-known biases shouldn't be trusted when they're talking about a topic that aligns with that bias. So I found a more trustworthy source, one that provides all of the information, rather than just the bit that casts things the way they want them cast.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cologne-sex-attacks-imam-claims-women-wearing-perfume-provoked-360-assaults-by-north-africans-1539509

International Business Times is much more reputable than either Arutz Sheva or Breitbart, especially when it comes to topics connecting to Islam. And when you read *their* article, you learn much more than you did reading that trash you linked to.

The Imam wasn't saying it was the victim's fault. He was explaining what prompted the action. Kind of like how you can say that a serial killer targetted their victim because of something they wore, without actually saying the victim was to blame. The Imam was quite clear in the follow-up interview (from the IBTimes article): "There were women scantily clad women who were wearing perfume as they walked through the drunken crowd. For some North Africans, this was reason to grope the women. That doesn't mean that I think women shouldn't be allowed to dress like that. Everyone has to accept that. And if they don't agree, they need to go to another country. That's the truth."

It's the difference between explaining and justifying.

 

totally agree with you



Guys have been blaming women for their own rape forever. I worked for a charity in December and whilst we were fundraising, a guy made the same sentiments about women being responsible for what happens to them when they dress "provocatively". Except he was a reborn Christian.



Ruler said:
Lafiel said:
JRPGfan said:
Its not about race... so this isnt racism.
Its just our cultures are so differnt, too differnt.

Too many muslims in europe, with values too differnt from our own.
You cant just rape women, and say its okay because they wore perfume.

Cant really blame people if they dont want muslims in their country if they act like this.

but you should be aware, that this is coming from a Salafist

Salafist/Wahhabi sects are the absolute most extreme conservative form of Islam there is - it's extremely literal, funnily enough much much more literal than how Islam was interpreted during the first hundreds of years of the existence of the religion

looking at them and saying "this is how Muslims think" is the equivalent of looking at the Westboro Baptist Church and saying "this is how Christians think" (and if you don't know them look that shit up)

what is reason for concern is that Saudi-Arabia is Wahhabi and due to them occupying Islams holy cities Mecca and Medina their ultra conservative Islam is gaining traction in the world and SA also finances lots and lots of Mosques preaching this type of Islam in many countries to help it expand

True but whos supporting, arming and trading with Saudi Arabia? its Merkels goverment.

 

And the UK and US.

Western countries have a long proven history of arming middle eastern countries which they then later label as the enemy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34838937




"Imam of Salafist Cologne mosque"

DOES ANYONE SEE THIS? Look at the word salafist.

Since the majority of you don't know arabic, allow me to clarify something.

A salafist(or wahabi) is what's considered an extreme Muslim. They are basically like a Westboro church member. A lot of people disagree with them, but there are still some people in the group. Why is that? Because some people lack IQ's. That's why.

Saying this, please don't think this is the typical belief. We already have enough moderate Muslims attacked due to these morons speaking.

many major Islamic scholars are against them. Believe me. I've traveled to the Middle East, and they're probably the most hated type of Muslims. Whenever a salafi(or wahabi) Muslim attacks innocent people, the moderates are then blamed, then the critics jump up, moderates are forced to apologize, the same BS goes on. Almost every terrorist attack I've seen by a Muslim was not a Sunni(aka moderate muslim). They were a salafi, and yet the media makes it look like every Muslim is responsible, and that they're 100% guaranteed a terrorist. Makes you wish they'd do that whenever a Christian does something terrible.

Either way, reputation of Muslims is damaged. These morons are reproducing too quickly. No matter what they do, some idiot has to play CoD in real life(I heard the AI was pretty good in CoD: real life edition). So if anyone thinks we can make people stop having irrational hatred towards Muslims, think again. We're gonna need to kill all the extremists. It'd be like Counter-strike.



Also, I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but why be half-naked, especially during new Year's eve? First off, it's cold, you can become an ice cube. Secondly, there's a lot of drunk people during New Years. I'd honestly stay in a group, try to avoid wearing anything that might make a creep interested, and always have a weapon(I carry a knife in case of anything).

These rape victims don't deserve this, that's obvious. However, women should learn simple lessons to avoid things like this happening. A 5 minute lesson(and a couple of bucks) can prevent a lifetime of trauma.



 

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kurasakiichimaru said:

Imam of Salafist Cologne mosque said victims of New Year’s attacks were to blame because they dressed 'inappropriately' and wore perfume.

 

 

“The events of New Year's Eve were the girls' own fault, because they were half naked and wearing perfume. It is not surprising the men wanted to attack them.(Dressing like that) is like adding fuel to the fire," he said.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/206828

 

No offense, but you really shouldn't trust Israel News(or anything similar to it). They're extremely one-sided(like Faux News), and usually contain large heaps of bias in their stories.

 

This isn't to say this story is fake. No, that's usually never the case. The reason why most people don't trust the news is because of how their words can change the story(check out media bias if you'd like).





 

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As someone mentioned:

"The Imam wasn't saying it was the victim's fault. He was explaining what prompted the action. Kind of like how you can say that a serial killer targeted their victim because of something they wore, without actually saying the victim was to blame. The Imam was quite clear in the follow-up interview (from the IBTimes article): "There were women scantily clad women who were wearing perfume as they walked through the drunken crowd. For some North Africans, this was reason to grope the women. That doesn't mean that I think women shouldn't be allowed to dress like that. Everyone has to accept that. And if they don't agree, they need to go to another country. That's the truth."

So it's just Agenda driven "news"...



Aidah said:
As someone mentioned:

"The Imam wasn't saying it was the victim's fault. He was explaining what prompted the action. Kind of like how you can say that a serial killer targeted their victim because of something they wore, without actually saying the victim was to blame. The Imam was quite clear in the follow-up interview (from the IBTimes article): "There were women scantily clad women who were wearing perfume as they walked through the drunken crowd. For some North Africans, this was reason to grope the women. That doesn't mean that I think women shouldn't be allowed to dress like that. Everyone has to accept that. And if they don't agree, they need to go to another country. That's the truth."

So it's just Agenda driven "news"...

Guess what? People backpedal when they say stupid things. It's not a matter of sourcing. He still said.



kurasakiichimaru said:
Aidah said:
As someone mentioned:

"The Imam wasn't saying it was the victim's fault. He was explaining what prompted the action. Kind of like how you can say that a serial killer targeted their victim because of something they wore, without actually saying the victim was to blame. The Imam was quite clear in the follow-up interview (from the IBTimes article): "There were women scantily clad women who were wearing perfume as they walked through the drunken crowd. For some North Africans, this was reason to grope the women. That doesn't mean that I think women shouldn't be allowed to dress like that. Everyone has to accept that. And if they don't agree, they need to go to another country. That's the truth."

So it's just Agenda driven "news"...

Guess what? People backpedal when they say stupid things. It's not a matter of sourcing. He still said.

And people also get qouted out of context in order to drive some agenda. Considering the sources, I'd go with the latter on this one.





teigaga said:
Guys have been blaming women for their own rape forever. I worked for a charity in December and whilst we were fundraising, a guy made the same sentiments about women being responsible for what happens to them when they dress "provocatively". Except he was a reborn Christian.

I don't see what's wrong for taking responsibility for their own actions. The world isn't some rose tinted utopia where everyone is a law abidding citizen, one must take precautions and consider the possiblity of negative reprucussions. In the case of the original post, it isn't the women's fault but the government's for allowing two polar opposite ideologies to collide.

The whole refugee plan that Germany and countless other European countries have is barebones at best. They need to educate them on how the rules work in the host country and have them learn a minimum of rudimentary language and customs as well. Instead of trying to brag about having the most refugees they should've limited the amounts of them and educate them on basic laws, language, and difference of cultures in order for them to somewhat assimilate with the people of the host country. Instead they feel the need to be 100% politically correct and the consequences are as clear as day.