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Forums - Sales - PS3 And 360 Undertracked, But PS3 Is Still #2

 

So (For The Last Time) Who Took 2nd?

PS3 113 77.40%
 
360 33 22.60%
 
Total:146

One really good thing that came from the PS4's success is that Sony no longer cares about hiding the PS3's slowing shipments.  For each quarter since the PS4's launch, they have revealed the PS4+PS3's shipments, as well as the PS4's shipments on its own.  So, using those numbers, let's illustrate how the PS3 is undertracked.

First, we have the announcement at the start of Nov '13 that the PS3 has shipped 80M units.  Ignoring the rest of the quarter, for now, and adding up the following quarter shipments (700K/800K/800K/1.1M) since the 80M, that puts the PS3 shipments at 83.4M.  Now, let's go back to that quarter we skipped.  For that quarter, the PS3 shipped 3.3M.  Considering the announcement most likely didn't include any shipments in Nov, since it was "as of Nov 2nd," that leads me to believe that the vast majority of that 3.3M came from Nov and Dec.  My guess is that Oct accounted for maybe 400K of that, which leaves 2.9M for Nov and Dec.  This brings the total shipments to 86.3M.  Given that PS3 sales are slowing down, and it's sales aren't nearly as big in the US and UK as the 360's, I'd estimate that ~800K is a reasonable amount to have in the supply chain.  This would mean sales should really be ~85.5M, for an undertracking of ~900K.

Now, let's look at the 360, and why I believe it is also undertracked and remains 3rd.  Seece recently made a thread claiming the 360 was undertracked by ~1.5M.  Without really looking into the numbers, as well as assuming AMD's nearly 30M number was shipped, I agreed.  However, after actually taking the time to look into it, I think he's wrong.  And the biggest reason is that AMD's number was actually sellthrough.  Now, IDG recently came out and stated that sales for the two had surpassed 29M.  Taking the PS4's 18.5M+ from that gives you 10.5M left for the XBO, which implies that VGC has it overtracked by ~300K.  However, some believe that VGC is spot on, which may be the case, so I'll be using their 10.8M.

According to Seece's thread, the XBO and 360 have shipped 98.8M combined.  I haven't looked into that exact number, but I am sure he would know.  Ok, so now we have to figure out how many units are in the supply chain.  We have been getting reports, and then having those reports backed up, by several mod approved members on Gaf stating that they are seeing stuffed channels for the XBO, while supply for the PS4 seems normal.  Some saying that a few stores have enough to last them 2 or more months.  This leads me to believe that MS has put more into the supply chain than Sony's 1.4M for the PS4.  If this info is consistant for most stores, this could put supply at ~2M-2.5M.  Since it's an advantage for the 360, I'm going to use 2M.

So, subtract the ~12.8M XBOs shipped from the 98.8M and we get 86M for the 360.  Or 300K less than the PS3's 86.3M.  I would also imagine MS has put a little more 360 out in the supply chain, as they are oft to do, than the PS3.  I would guess 1M in the supply chain after the Christmas season in two countries that the 360 still does well in (age considered), US/UK, sounds about right.  So, the 360 is also undertracked, ~600K by my estimation.

Thoughts?



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Makes sense



Ka-pi96 said:
Is this the second reaction thread already? Seece really ruffled some feathers




XB1 isn't at 12.8m LTD shipped, baloney!!!

360 is still 1m ahead of PS3 lifetime, and with 360 outselling it over the holidays 2:1 I think it may have the longer legs as well.

10th anniversary will be very interesting to see what MS do.

Minecraft themed 360 for $99? $$$$$$$



 

Ka-pi96 said:
Is this the second reaction thread already? Seece really ruffled some feathers

LMAO!  Are you serious?  You can't be.  Read that thread, again.  I agreed with him to begin with.  Get out of here with that crap. 



Seece said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Is this the second reaction thread already? Seece really ruffled some feathers




XB1 isn't at 12.8m LTD shipped, baloney!!!

360 is still 1m ahead of PS3 lifetime, and with 360 outselling it over the holidays 2:1 I think it may have the longer legs as well.

10th anniversary will be very interesting to see what MS do.

Minecraft themed 360 for $99? $$$$$$$

Instead of just saying it isn't, dispute the math.



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Lol Microsoft did say they will focus on younger gamers with the xbox 360



old skool

Hard to say really. Alos there is alot of assumptions in your post. Best we can do at this poi t is speculate until MS finally gives us some numbers. But you got some solid math and reasoning so thumbs up.



what about a tie? the difference between them is so minimal that a tie for both sounds more reasonable and a perfect excuse to stop caring for last gen consoles.



good thing the ps4 is selling as it is i can see myself debating its sales in 2020

i believe 360 sold shipped more than ps3 up to now but ps3 has the larger userbase do to the 360 rrod and more rebuys with its redesigned compared to the ps3s redesign which took features away slot less disk drive, memory card readers, ps2 B/C, usb ports ect

if sony wanted to get more ps3 hw sales they could of but never tried, bundle uncharted 1-3 with there 500gb for 199 or a mature themed with god of war saga collection and a ps3



                                                             

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from the poll on whos 2nd, i think ps3 is

but first or second, it was still a good console



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