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I actually took the time to read all you wrote but my answer is directly at your thread title:
We don't know yet.



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enditall727 said:
TT Makaveli said:
enditall727 said:
TT Makaveli said:

yep i also say PS4 will come out 2014...not any sooner...and Wii-U is not the typical "next generation" console...its just like the PS3 & X360...the new Xbox will show what power the new generation will bring graphical & technical wise...alsp PS3 is now making money and does better than before and it will do even better next year and the year after that...Sony just would be stupid to rush with the PS4...

 


who said that they had to rush? Sony usually starts gearing up for their next console when a competitor bring's on the new Generation

Nintendo showed a bit of Wii U this year so if sony started ps4 production this year why would a finished product 2 years later be considered as rushed?

and how do you know for sure that microsoft will be the 1 that shows what power the next gen will bring? what if sony just so happens to be the most powerful if they release in 2013?

microsoft's launching 1st this gen means nothing! ps2 launched 1st(excluding dreamcast) last gen then microsft and nintendo followed AFTER but microsoft still launched it's next gen console before the others even though it didnt the previous gen

and even when ps4 arrives ps3 will continue to sell and profit, did you forget that the PlayStation brand itself has legs?

i think you forgot one big point...you cant compare gens with gens!and also i dont said that cause the PS3 launched after the Xbox360 it  would be stupid if PS4 releases before the new Xbox ...the thing is just that it would be nonsense for Sony to release beore the new Xbox console (that will definatly launch in 2013) just cause the PS3 still got so much time in it...it would be stupid to release before the Xbox just to be 1st when the Ps3 is not even over and started to make money...there is enough place for some more price cuts what isnt the case with xbox...the PS3 just got more room to play than the Xbox360...

Microsoft launched first this gen just cause the first Xbox was fukkin crap and was destroyed by the PS2 so they wanted to be the first next gen to get a little advantage i guess and Sony dont need that in they current PS3 situation with making money now and a bright future for it...the first Xbox was dead even before it was alive so Microsoft said "man lets go out soon as possible from this gen and lets do it better next" which just isnt the case with Sony...like i said you cant compare gens with gens...they are just other backgrounds for every company/console every time!

 

and lol @ excluding Dreamcast in the 6th gen...its like i would say Wii launched first this gen excluding Xbox360...

 

 

yes i know ps3 still has time in it but it seems like you are saying that when PS4 is released that ps3 "wont" have any time left in it anymore

that's what it seems like you are trying to say..

yea i agree with you on the xbox part

and no i only excluded dreamcast for that specific occasion because i was just comparing Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft LOL


no im not saying that PS3 will be over after that...hell no...the PS2 is 11 years old and still selling like crazy for its age...i think the same will happen with PS3 but now not like the gens before Sonys biggest force is the 1st party...and when the PS4 is out like 90% or even every 1st party company will develop for the PS4 thats what im saying or thinking...



TT Makaveli said:
enditall727 said:
TT Makaveli said:
enditall727 said:
TT Makaveli said:

yep i also say PS4 will come out 2014...not any sooner...and Wii-U is not the typical "next generation" console...its just like the PS3 & X360...the new Xbox will show what power the new generation will bring graphical & technical wise...alsp PS3 is now making money and does better than before and it will do even better next year and the year after that...Sony just would be stupid to rush with the PS4...

 


who said that they had to rush? Sony usually starts gearing up for their next console when a competitor bring's on the new Generation

Nintendo showed a bit of Wii U this year so if sony started ps4 production this year why would a finished product 2 years later be considered as rushed?

and how do you know for sure that microsoft will be the 1 that shows what power the next gen will bring? what if sony just so happens to be the most powerful if they release in 2013?

microsoft's launching 1st this gen means nothing! ps2 launched 1st(excluding dreamcast) last gen then microsft and nintendo followed AFTER but microsoft still launched it's next gen console before the others even though it didnt the previous gen

and even when ps4 arrives ps3 will continue to sell and profit, did you forget that the PlayStation brand itself has legs?

i think you forgot one big point...you cant compare gens with gens!and also i dont said that cause the PS3 launched after the Xbox360 it  would be stupid if PS4 releases before the new Xbox ...the thing is just that it would be nonsense for Sony to release beore the new Xbox console (that will definatly launch in 2013) just cause the PS3 still got so much time in it...it would be stupid to release before the Xbox just to be 1st when the Ps3 is not even over and started to make money...there is enough place for some more price cuts what isnt the case with xbox...the PS3 just got more room to play than the Xbox360...

Microsoft launched first this gen just cause the first Xbox was fukkin crap and was destroyed by the PS2 so they wanted to be the first next gen to get a little advantage i guess and Sony dont need that in they current PS3 situation with making money now and a bright future for it...the first Xbox was dead even before it was alive so Microsoft said "man lets go out soon as possible from this gen and lets do it better next" which just isnt the case with Sony...like i said you cant compare gens with gens...they are just other backgrounds for every company/console every time!

 

and lol @ excluding Dreamcast in the 6th gen...its like i would say Wii launched first this gen excluding Xbox360...

 

 

yes i know ps3 still has time in it but it seems like you are saying that when PS4 is released that ps3 "wont" have any time left in it anymore

that's what it seems like you are trying to say..

yea i agree with you on the xbox part

and no i only excluded dreamcast for that specific occasion because i was just comparing Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft LOL


no im not saying that PS3 will be over after that...hell no...the PS2 is 11 years old and still selling like crazy for its age...i think the same will happen with PS3 but now not like the gens before Sonys biggest force is the 1st party...and when the PS4 is out like 90% or even every 1st party company will develop for the PS4 thats what im saying or thinking...


well in America the ps2 launched on like 10/26/00 then the ps3 launched on like 11/14/06

so ps2 had a full 6 years with 1st party devs working on it and i believe the last big Sony 1st party game that released on it was in 2007(God Of War 2). That means 1st party devs fully shifted development from ps2 to ps3 in 2007 which would also mean that ps2 was fully 1st party supported for 7 years(a year after ps3 was released)

now ps3 just hit it's 5th year like 3 days ago and if Sony launched the PS4 in 2013(about a full 2 years from now) then that would mean that ps3 would have had 7 years of full 1st party dev time worked on it. Now if it is anything like the ps2 then that would mean that ps3 would get it's last big 1st party exclusive in 2014(a year after ps4 being launched) making it 8 years supported!

so i still dont see the problem :)



PlaystaionGamer said:
yeh.. the PS4 is going to come in 2013.. because sony want to spend another Billion releasing a system when the PS3 has incurred massive debts and is starting to make money..

PS4 won't come till 2014. sorry, but they won't be able to get stock holders on board with loosing such a massive sum releasing another system yet


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PlaystaionGamer said:
yeh.. the PS4 is going to come in 2013.. because sony want to spend another Billion releasing a system when the PS3 has incurred massive debts and is starting to make money..

PS4 won't come till 2014. sorry, but they won't be able to get stock holders on board with loosing such a massive sum releasing another system yet



Wow, is this a professional opinion ?  Cuz FACTUALLY speaking.. if I was a Sony stockholder Id keep being concerned about how much money the PS3 is losing me now.  The PS3 has lost more money then the original Xbox did. BILLIONS... and recently with the price cut  Sony lost more money although it helped sales.. it may not make a difference.  Just because you sell more lemonade then the guy on the other corner doesnt mean you take more cash home.  The odd thing is you dont seem to understand that the PS4 launch at a slightly higher cost ( lets say 399.00 ) could have hardware that cost 375.00.. meaning the PS4 could launch profitable ( something the PS3 didn't do ).. The PS4 could be a turn in the right direction for Sony.  If you think stockholders want to stay with the PS3 Im sure its border line...  The PS2 was way different.  It was profitable its entire life. From a business point of view they controlled the market.  They could milk it as long as they wanted almost.  They competed against no one.  The first xbox launched nearly two yrs after the PS2 did.. MS goal was to just launch and they knew it would be a total loss that generation financially.  The only goal was to steal some fans and they did that.  Nintendo launched an underpowered gamcube nearly a year after the PS2.. It was a perfect storm for Sony ! They could do no wrong.  Fast forward to today.. If im a Sony stockholder - I'm looking forward to the PS4 !

The main difference between PS2 and PS3 is not the huge gulf in sales.. its that PS2 was a money maker from start to finish.. PS2 made so much to the overal profitability to Sony.. that up till now stockholders have been excusing the PS3  over it.. The PS3 has been a money loser from start to finish.. even when it became "profitable" a year ago..  for each unit sold it barely made more then it cost to make a PS3.. and from a long term point of view even if they made ALOT of money off PS3's from here on out .. the fact is it will never make enough to make an overall profit for what it has lost this entire generation.  I owned a PS2.. we all did.. may of us bought more then one.  My first one last two years.. it was as much my DVD player as it was my gaming console..

If Im a stock holder Im making sure we're moving to a better ( but cheaper ) console in the PS4.. If im a stockholder and the PS3 is still losing money.. which is lost 300 million recently I'm wating to get away from under the PS3.  Yeah.. you can blame the currency issue on PS3's losses.. BUT THE TRUTH is.. they made such little profit on the PS3 they had no business lowering the price of the PS3 the point where those issues might be a factor.  From a business point of view.. as a fan or not.. the PS3 has been a poor invenstment for this generation.  The hope is next gen they will release at a decent price.. because the launch cost definately hurt.. the bluray player alone pushed the system over the edge price wise.  They actually made cuts that hurt the system overall.. the Cell processor is being held back by an under powereed GPU.

If im a stock holder Im wanting the PS4 out sooner not later.  The Ps2 lasted so long because it made money the entire time !  As it got cheaper they made even more.. a lod of cash !!!  The PS3 is not doing this.  Companies don't extend the lives of products that barely lose money and AT BEST barely keep them afloat !

The last I heard was Sony was wanting to launch AT or slightly before MS next time.. they planned to launch the PS3 with Xbox 360.. remember ? They delayed then the price of it was awful..  This time they want to launch close... and I have a feeling they will make sure this time they DO IN FACT Launch closer then last time !!



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enditall727 said:
sales2099 said:
enditall727 said:

 

and LOL dont give in to that PolyphonyDigital "perfectionist" crap. Polyphony shot GT5 Prologue out quick and it showed that they knew what they were doing with the ps3. i believe they were just riding out the whole Turn10's Forza 2 and 3. They looked at what Turn10 was doing and just simply out-did what they knew Turn10 could achieve on 360(1000 cars,weather,nascar,night/day cycle etc). Forza 4 proves what PolyphonyDigital was aiming for(seeing as how Turn10 was not able to outdo gt5 in those areas even though it came out later)

as far as sony making 2 dumb moves with PSVita.. okay tell me this, name 1 time that Sony released 1 of it's platforms before it's competitor? *crickets* exactly NEVER! They ALWAYS release IN competition!! I said it right there in the OP! On them missing the Na/Eu Holiday season i guess they dont want to "rush" anything like the way we seen Nintendo rush the 3DS

So your saying PD waits for Forza to make a move before acting? Thats not the behaviour of the supposed king of simulation......usually its they who should set the example. Thats why I don't buy it. Simply put, PS3 was a bitch to program for and they lost track of time, occasionally tweaking the game based on Forza 2 and Forza 3 features. But cmon there was little outdoing in the end. 3 Forzas, all 90+ on metacritic compared to one full GT game with a 84. They nailed some parts like the night and day cycles, but they still lacked a lot of features that Forza has. And cmon, 1000 cars. Its common sense 800 of them arent worth driving, even with the spec 2 update. 

I think Sony should rethink their launch strategies. Launching after Sega and still winning just ain't gonna cut it anymore. Today, launching later = loose. I see no reason to not rush the Vita.....trading lack of launch games for a holiday launch. Like the 3d......launching rushed leads to a head start, and room to grow and improve. Nintendo ironed out most of the 3DS kinks..........before the Vita even released. Thats the magic of a head start, rushed or not 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

enditall727 said:
The_Joker_Product said:
enditall727 said:
The_Joker_Product said:

 

 

This is the best Microsoft will EVER do against Sony!

This comment caught my eye and made me smile. I wouldn't be so sure of that. 

Compare PS2 to Xbox lifetime sales.

Now look at PS3 and 360 lifetime sales.

Sure theres many factors to consider but im keeping it as simple as possible here. Seems MS is improving each gen where as Sony is loosing its grip. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

I also wonder what Sony will do next gen because I think things will be a lot more different next gen than what we're used to. It's not like we'll be getting 3 consoles that are almost the same like every generations had. This time, the 3 consoles might take different directions. The only one we don't know much about is the PS4.

We know MS will release the next Xbox with a better version of Kinect and because it "should" come out with every consoles every games will build around the new Kinect, just like they did with XBox Live. We also know about Windows 8 that's supposed to bring more life to PC gaming, the new Windows for tablets and phones we'll see how they implement everything together. I don't think we need to worry much for MS, unless we still care for Japan.

On Sony's side... I don't know. No new medium technology needs to be adopted except for onlive gaming but we all know that's not what they want right away.

Motion gaming is already out and full body tracking is already adopted through Kinect.

Making it super powerful? Why? So it is too difficult to develop for again? And costs a lot too? Next gen we'll see even more game engines being reused that what happened this gen with UE3. Graphics are not what sells games, next gen will see not only impressive graphics but we'll come to a point where it'll start to be beautiful enough so people will not care anymore (it has already started)... I'm not talking about fanboys on forums.

I really have no Idea.



I think Sony could had made PSVita a PS4...So maybe PS4 could be portable.
But I think they need to be in 2 different market so they sell more consoles..
Anyway, I really hope Sony learned from PS3 mistakes. But then again, how could they screw up so bad while PS2 era...?
I really have no idea what PS4 can do so much different than what PS3 is already capable of.Heavy rain and Uncharted graphics are enough already.PSN is free and awesome.It has great games...
Maybe they change controller to more shooter friendly.



 

 

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I don't see it.

Sony has reported losses 4 consecutive years in a row as a company - although PS may turn profit, it's not big enough to nullify the losses in other departments, which are most likely affecting financials of the company as a whole, and with the Vita launch around the corner and most likely loss per unit, I don't see Sony making enough money to BUILD the console or being afford another launch till at least 2014 - Maybe when Vita becomes more profitable and the profits are squeezed out of PS3.

 

GT6 is likely as a launch title, but it'll definitely be there within a year of launch.



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