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lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

It's disingenuous to say that Western Europe had a big fall because of the rise of Christianity, even though the Dark Ages coincided with it. The Church was pretty much the only vehicle keeping knowledge alive in the West (which gave them a monopoly on information that they later abused to an extent), so they deserve credit, as if the Church hadn't been around as an institution, most of that knowledge would have been lost (though it would have been reclaimed i suppose)

Plus the Church ended a few barbaric practices of pagan times. I'm not saying the Church is blameless in history, far from it, but it isn't responsible for the dark ages



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lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

Although many mistakes were made, if you keep always looking back, without looking at the path you are walking (now), you might stumble and fall because you did not see where you were walking.

Oh trust me, the path i'm currently walking is the best one for me and for my loved ones. I've retained all my individuality and my own self without having to subject myself to dogmas. 

What I do find curious is that you somehow criticize the "push for unity at the expense of the individuality" when that's one of the core dogmas and messages of christianity itself.

Do you actually believe the supernatural aspects of your religion, or are you just into it because you think it presents strong moral values and a good outlook on life, etc?



 

 

sapphi_snake said:
Farmageddon said:

Some believe we're just born and make all those concepts up as we go :P

When it comes to a single world religion, I really, really, really don't see that happening (besides maybe on an "official" level). Only shot would be if that one religion was non-religious. I don't think even extreme supernatural intervention would change that. I mean, assuming they don't just wipe our minds.

Also, Player1x3, I see your vision of humans is as if we're removed from nature, special. I think this kind of argument about human nature can't really be settled between people with a creationist view and people with a more naturalistic one.

How can this be?

Well, I just don't see how, moving forward, will there be a time whithout people skeptical of religions and gods and etc. I don't see atheists and agnostics and laVey satanists and whatnot suddenly disappearing, specially on a global government where flow of information would be (presumably) very high.

As long as there's religion there'll also be the ortodox types and the "I believe in something but don't fit any of this crap" Wiccan-type minorities. It just seems like this to me.

Player1x3 said:


What? No I dont believe in creationism, I simply believe that we have free will and that we make our choices but in the end our choices make us(shamelessly stolen from Bioshock), they determine weather or not we are greedy, destrctive etc etc...

Well, what makes you believe our free will is so absolute and detached from nature then? If we're products of nature, so is our free will. And if our choice determines what we are, what determines them? Our "free will"? If our personality plays a role in determining our actions, and to these actions we attribute lables, why not carry them over for our personalities?

Of course I'm not defending we're static, there's a lot of feedback and forth, but we are born with all of that in us, otherwise it would never surface.



Mr Khan said:
lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

It's disingenuous to say that Western Europe had a big fall because of the rise of Christianity, even though the Dark Ages coincided with it. The Church was pretty much the only vehicle keeping knowledge alive in the West (which gave them a monopoly on information that they later abused to an extent), so they deserve credit, as if the Church hadn't been around as an institution, most of that knowledge would have been lost (though it would have been reclaimed i suppose)

Plus the Church ended a few barbaric practices of pagan times. I'm not saying the Church is blameless in history, far from it, but it isn't responsible for the dark ages

It's also disingenuous to say that the church was the only vehicle keeping knowledge alive in the West, when it was the early christians that destroyed most of that knowledge to begin with. Yes, after the fall of rome, the goth invasions and the moving of "power" to the byzantium empire, it was the church who managed to keep the little knowledge left alive, but at the price of being only the knowledge that they wanted. 

The Church abolished a lot of barbaric practices, that's true, but also abolished or changed to their own terms a lot of good practices of those same people, to ease the passage from the pagan beliefs (celts, nords, goths even romans themselves) to christian beliefs. To not call the church responsible for the dark ages is as disingenuous and naive as well, because they also forbade all cultural and artistical approaches made in that era. Go read Petronius and his definition of the contrast between the classical age and the "dark" age, in which he was a part of it.



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im_sneaky said:
lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

Although many mistakes were made, if you keep always looking back, without looking at the path you are walking (now), you might stumble and fall because you did not see where you were walking.

Oh trust me, the path i'm currently walking is the best one for me and for my loved ones. I've retained all my individuality and my own self without having to subject myself to dogmas. 

What I do find curious is that you somehow criticize the "push for unity at the expense of the individuality" when that's one of the core dogmas and messages of christianity itself.

Do you actually believe the supernatural aspects of your religion, or are you just into it because you think it presents strong moral values and a good outlook on life, etc?

The supernatural aspects such as the goddess and the spirits of nature? I do believe in some part that we are connected to them, but not unconditionally. As for the witchcraft part itself, it's more of an homeopatic way of living, as there are a lot of things in nature that can boost your body natural healing processes and that can affect your state of mind. 

The strong moral values and the ability to accept people for what they are, with no discrimination and no judgment, that's one of the things that I value the most. I know you don't have to be religious to have those moral values, but since I always had a strong connection to nature as well, I chose to follow the Wiccan belief, because in it I found a good place for my being to live and a welcoming community.



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DélioPT said:
lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

Although many mistakes were made, if you keep always looking back, without looking at the path you are walking (now), you might stumble and fall because you did not see where you were walking.

Those who don't learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them.



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DélioPT said:


Actually it`s not. It`s quite the opposite really. Loving others doesn`t come without loving yourself. And God is love. You also have free will to do what you want with your life aswell - although there are consequences for all your actions -, so there`s all the room for individuality and unity with God.
Those who have faith find themselves within God without ever losing oneself.

Contradicting yourself, no?



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


Actually it`s not. It`s quite the opposite really. Loving others doesn`t come without loving yourself. And God is love. You also have free will to do what you want with your life aswell - although there are consequences for all your actions -, so there`s all the room for individuality and unity with God.
Those who have faith find themselves within God without ever losing oneself.

Contradicting yourself, no?


Seems like it but it`s not a contradiction. It all comes down to what this really means: "Those who have faith find themselves within God without ever losing oneself."



DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


Actually it`s not. It`s quite the opposite really. Loving others doesn`t come without loving yourself. And God is love. You also have free will to do what you want with your life aswell - although there are consequences for all your actions -, so there`s all the room for individuality and unity with God.
Those who have faith find themselves within God without ever losing oneself.

Contradicting yourself, no?


Seems like it but it`s not a contradiction. It all comes down to what this really means: "Those who have faith find themselves within God without ever losing oneself."

See, it's all just contradictions.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:

See, it's all just contradictions.

I can understand why you say it, but believe me, when you have faith you`ll understand.