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Mr Khan said:
lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

It's disingenuous to say that Western Europe had a big fall because of the rise of Christianity, even though the Dark Ages coincided with it. The Church was pretty much the only vehicle keeping knowledge alive in the West (which gave them a monopoly on information that they later abused to an extent), so they deserve credit, as if the Church hadn't been around as an institution, most of that knowledge would have been lost (though it would have been reclaimed i suppose)

Plus the Church ended a few barbaric practices of pagan times. I'm not saying the Church is blameless in history, far from it, but it isn't responsible for the dark ages

It's also disingenuous to say that the church was the only vehicle keeping knowledge alive in the West, when it was the early christians that destroyed most of that knowledge to begin with. Yes, after the fall of rome, the goth invasions and the moving of "power" to the byzantium empire, it was the church who managed to keep the little knowledge left alive, but at the price of being only the knowledge that they wanted. 

The Church abolished a lot of barbaric practices, that's true, but also abolished or changed to their own terms a lot of good practices of those same people, to ease the passage from the pagan beliefs (celts, nords, goths even romans themselves) to christian beliefs. To not call the church responsible for the dark ages is as disingenuous and naive as well, because they also forbade all cultural and artistical approaches made in that era. Go read Petronius and his definition of the contrast between the classical age and the "dark" age, in which he was a part of it.



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