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Norion said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah I feel like we'll just have to agree to disagree at this point; the way I see it, the harms just outweigh the useful cases so overwhelmingly and the way it functions through stealing people's output, wasting resources, etc. just make it fundamentally unethical.

Props to you for keeping things civil, it is nice to be able to disagree without things getting personal.

Thank, I do try to remain civil. If nothing else I hope these discussions have done a bit to help you understand the perspective of people like me who have a more positive and optimistic view of AI. 

I do have one more thing to ask though if that's alright and it's about the fundamentally unethical part cause my issue with that mindset is due to how broad the technology is. Like I'm sure you wouldn't consider a disabled person using a self driving car to travel or in the future people using AI developed treatments for their diseases unethical so I guess I'm wondering where your line is. That's probably the crux of this whole thing.

I mean I wouldn't attack the disabled person for using the self-driving car, but the thing, you actually do not need AI to make cars drive themselves or to cure disease (which is something AI has never done and may never do, actually) kinda like how yes, you can cure diseases by experimenting on humans against their will, but it's still better if you don't.