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twintail said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Sony's 2025 financials statement literally says that it includes all game sales. Not that hard to realize they are counting digital-only and limited release titles. 

Sony, like Microsoft will only release data that makes them look good. At least for now. MS constantly said that Gamepass was profitable. But now Sharma has said that they lost 64 cents for every dollar invested during their aquisition spree. This is after 7 years of claiming that Gamepass was profitable mind you. Corporations stretch the truth all the time in order to tell whatever narrative they want. z

Another example of how corporations can stretch the truth: MS renamed XBoxLive to GamepassCore. This is so they can claim that there are more Game Pass users than there are. People subbing to basic XBL for Online and people subbing to Gamepass are two different things. But MS wants to treat them as the same thing because it looks better on a spreadsheet. Sony is doing the same thing when it comes to digital vs physical preferences for consumers. 

'in a statement about consumer preferences' and 'Sony's 2025 financials statement' are two different things. 

You were very clearly referencing the public statement they put out which told us nothing about how they were tracking digital consumer preferences, and now you're talking about Sony's financials, which we all already know includes all digital sales. Again, there is nothing unusual about this - it's a financial report. 

You could argue Sony's public statement is perhaps stretching the claim about digital preference for consumers. But data to support this exists in multiple forms, such as retailers have less shelf space for physical games or Capcom's financial statements (which you have tried to hand wave because it doesn't fit your narrative). 

If you disagree with Sony on about consumer preferences for digital, then prove it.

The source for their 85% of gamers preferring physical was the Q4 2025 financials. The number for all of 2025 was 78%. They cherry-picked the lowest financial report on purpose. Do you seriously beleive they weren't referencing the Q4 report? Or did you have another document or financial report that exactly matches their 85% claim?

Retailers having less shelf space isn't proof that consumers prefer digital massively. It's proof that retailers and Xbox/Sony DON"T want physical to be readily available. Retailers want to sell physical games but ONLY have enough stock to just barely meet a little under demand. That way they sellout completely. But then this reduces the availability of physical games which pushes more people to digital. Also, do you even have the hard data for shelf space? Did you count all the shelf space and see how much it fell by? Do you have proof that it has steadily fallen at a continuous pace and hasn't hit a brick wall of minimum stock? Remember that 30% of gamers will always buy physical and even more so on the Nintendo side which sits at 44%. There's a core set of gamers that are primarily physical. Physical sales will drop but once they hit that core set of physical buyers it will not drop much further. Or at least that's my claim I'm going to make. Perhaps that theory will get tested or perhaps all companies will just greedily go all-digital before we can see physical sales drop below 30% for games that have both a physical copy and digital copy. 

I'm not hand waving Capcom's numbers. I'm explaining them logically and showing why they are an outlier. z

"If you disagree with Sony on about consumer preferences for digital, then prove it."

Magical fairies exist. If you disagree with me on that then prove it! I don't have to prove anything. Sony made the BS claim. Poking holes in it is enough. Also, please write a letter to Sony on my behalf so they can give me every ounce of their sales data and I'll dive right in. In a court of law this is called discovery. Both lawyers are allowed all evidence and materials that the other lawyer has. Asking me to disprove Sony's claim without having access to all the evidence and material they have is ridiculous. It should be bad enough that people can easily poke holes in their BS with the scant information they give us. And yeah, there's the Insomniac leak and some other market research that supports physical still being prefered by 30% to 40% of PS gamers. But you want absolute proof and I can't deliver that without all the info Sony has.