Mnementh said:
SvennoJ said:
Humans have been rationalizing war crimes, torture, reducing / displacing population for all recorded history. Trump is rationalizing his war on the ME with one mantra he repeats hundred times a day "Iran can not have a nuclear weapon" and with that he rationalizes every terrible thing he's done. Who says AI won't do the same, with even less emotion. Who says AI would not have nuked Iran already when given the instruction "Iran can not have a nuclear weapon".
Rationality is the quality of basing beliefs and decisions on reason, logic, and empirical evidence rather than emotion or intuition.
That can have positive effects, excluding racism from decisions, yet the evidence is all around us, banker wars for resources, it's the rational decision to keep a stranglehold over the world. It's rational decisions that lead to wars, despite the media and politicians using people's emotions to go along with it.
We don't need more acceleration, too much change too fast is far more dangerous and destructive. Btw Europe still has a car problem, congested, pollution, urban sprawl, nearly 20K traffic deaths yearly.
"it is our use of the technology, the societal parameters around it that decide the outcome."
Indeed, who is controlling AI is who determines where society will go. It's the same people that are orchestrating / funding and going along with resource wars / worship unbridled capitalism and don't give a crap about people.
AI is a tool and I don't trust those wielding it at all.
As example, would the world have been better off with nuclear technology? Sure it accelerated growth a bit with nuclear power plants, but those in power used it to take the world hostage and still do. The 2 nukes on Japan were not necessary at all yet rationalized away as a future deterrent. That same rationalization has now persuaded 'the deranged occupant of the white house' to seal the fate of millions of people. (Hunger/starvation will increase killing millions as the outcome of this folly)
Yes we need to fix our world, tech billionaires with their data centers are not going to do it. But they can accelerate the fall of US empire and civilization in general. International law has already been dismantled out of self-dense rational. |
"Rationalizing" already implies it is not rational. You use that word multiple times. The definition you give is correct: "Rationality is the quality of basing beliefs and decisions on reason, logic, and empirical evidence rather than emotion or intuition." People claiming their decision being rational doesn't make it so and excluding factors that are known is indeed not rational. So yes, people lie a lot to define their decisions as rational, but I cannot see war being a rational decision, if you take everything into account. People use their emotions (fear, superiority) or personal gains to decide pro war, and then construct something to claim their decision is rational. It is not. In science starting from the result is not something you do. Rationalization is not the same as being rational. Because you already start with the conclusion and then cherry-pick your evidence to support it. So you are not arguing against rationality at all, just a facade over emotionally based decision. |
Exactly. That's why AI is dangerous because it is used to rationalize atrocities.
Expecting AI to be actually rational while being trained on human history is a fallacy. AI is not rational, it's a collection of human mess. Humans (at least neuro typicals) use top down thinking, start with the conclusion and defend it at all cost, now using AI to rationalize and advance their top down decisions.
AI is providing the facade, another layer to hide behind, deflect accountability. That's why it's so dangerous. AI only makes it easier to cherry pick, it's not going to make anyone more rational.
