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Norion 22 hours ago
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Eagle367 said:
Norion said:
It's not a potential thing as SC has gone into in other posts, it's already been helping out the medical field in the past few years. For what benefits to society can arise there's causing huge strides in medical research and scientific research in general, self driving cars becoming the norm and robots helping care for the elderly and disabled for a few big ones. Just those things alone will prevent ten's of millions deaths every year alongside a multitude of other huge benefits.
For banning it that's of course completely unrealistic but even disregarding that it's not a sensible position cause of those major applications. As I said in another post if you don't like ways it's being used right now then pushing for regulation is a far better approach. 

It being overall a good or bad thing is a different discussion though. My issue here was the implication in that post that the investment in AI is bringing no benefits when that is very clearly not the case. It'd be the same if someone said AI is causing no negatives, that would also be an absurd thing to say.

To get into that discussion though I do think there's a reasonable debate to be had over if the benefits or negatives are bigger right now so don't think it's as clear cut as you're saying. Me and SC have gone into various use cases in past posts in the thread and in general the benefits are already big and on my end the tech has overall improved my life so far. So many people are using it now to do things like help plan vacations and make their workflows more efficient so a lot of people are already getting a lot of value out of it.

Italicized: for self driving cars,  just use trains, buses and public trasnport. They are better, have been proven to be better for humans in general and are such a net benefit its not even funny. That will save many lives. For the old person care thing, i have a bridge to sell you. The real solution is not overworking people to the bone and having well funded human resources for the disabled and elderly. Its kot gonna be robots taking care of them, its gonna be humans. And for banning, it is possible if there is a will to do it. Its not as unrealistic as you think. You can ban gen AI slop and establishment of data centres, etc. There are a myriad of ways.

bolded: Increasing laziness of people as I said. Research has shown that Gen AI use is rotting the brains of so many people.

The cars vs public transport debate is a separate issue since public transport will also be automated in the future. Self driving vehicles are way safer is my point with that part. Do you think advanced robots are never gonna be a thing? Cause that's a matter of when, not if so they're obviously gonna be utilized in ways like that. People will still be involved since that'll be wanted but once there's enough of them it'll be a massive help in making sure that everyone gets the care they need. Like each patient could eventually have their own robot carer assigned to them that they could call on anytime they want and they'll be ready to immediately assist with something anytime if no people are currently available or if they don't wanna deal with other people.

For the banning part it is that unrealistic, the US and China are trying to be the first country to achieve AGI since that'll be a massive boon to whoever gets there first so neither of those countries are gonna do something that harmful to their national interests. In general the tech is so broad in terms of its applications and is already being used for so much that this is equivalent to the idea of banning the internet a couple decades or so ago. It's just a completely absurd idea so as I've said in past posts if someone doesn't like certain ways it's being used then the answer is pushing for regulation.

And for the last part can you share this research? Cause a big issue with studies about AI is the technology is changing so fast that even ones that are just a year old are already outdated so are worth way less compared to when they came out.

curl-6 said:
Norion said:

Mass layoffs only need to be a temporary issue. A world where all the work required to keep society running is being taken care of by AI systems and robots letting people do whatever they want with their time would make concepts like unemployment rate not matter any more. Governments are gonna need to be ready to handle the period between now and then though.

In general there are indeed future concerns like authoritarian regimes using the technology to crack down on dissent and entrench their rule but overall I very much expect the good to outweigh the bad since the good stuff that's already baked in is massive and that sort of world I mentioned is such a strong end goal that I really think something as disastrous as a Skynet sort of scenario would have to happen for the bad to outweigh the good long term.

Regimes are already using AI for surveillance, propaganda, misinformation, and control, and it's only early days for the technology; looking at the state of the world today with the far right in ascendency across the Western world and authoritarianism thriving across the globe, do we really think politicians and billionaires are going to deploy this technology for the good of the masses, when they're already weaponising it against us?

For democracies like ones in the Western world people can vote so if the masses feel like their governments are handling the issue badly they'll vote them out. A significant shift from current capitalistic systems in the next 10-20 years seems pretty likely to me. My biggest concern in the transition period is the phase when there is mass unemployment for white collar work but blue collar work isn't being impacted that much yet. Governments will need to make sure to help support their people through that.