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TheRealSamusAran 1 day ago
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Vodacixi said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

But in Super, the only tool the game offers for sequence breaking is wall jumping, but I don't know if you can even skip any upgrade with it, most of the tricks players use to sequence break Super, are, in fact, glitches. You get early Super Missiles using a glitch, you open locked gates from the wrong side using a glitch, etc. Metroid-likes are not about sequence breaking, it's about the freedom to explore and backtrack, and having a sequence of upgrades you must get is not at odd with that as long as the game does give you that freedom, like Super and Dread do.

There you go again. If you are "sequence breaking", you are admiting that there is a sequence to begin with.

Metroidvanias are not about sequence breaking. They are about not having a main sequence, period. Sure, there are main objectives, but they don't force you into one set path. You can explore the map and find those objectives through multiple ways. For example, in Hollow Knight you have like three or four different routes you can use to access City of Tears for the first time (one of the main areas of the game). All of them are valid, even if there is one that is more obvious than the rest. How many options do you have to access Burenia for the first time in Dread, for example? Or once ZDR is frozen, how many different paths can you take in order to reactivate the heat generator?

Super is more open than Dread in the sense that, while there is one "intended path", it's not uncommon that by exploring, getting lost and using your basic abilities you end up getting an upgrade or actually making progress. It's not completely open, but it's far less linear than Dread.

You can only follow one path in Dread unless you really twist the game or have previous knowledge of it.

Ok, so again, without getting early super missiles or using other glitches, how much sequence can you break in SM? How many different paths can you take to get to Norfair or Maridia for the first time? Can you fight Phantoom before Kraid without glitches? Can you get power bombs before super missiles?