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Bofferbrauer2 said:
BFR said:

Europe should counter this with their own maximalist position: Giving back Ukraine all the territories from before 2014 would be the starting point, and if Putin and his cronies don't behave, Ukraine would take everything between the Don and Siverski Donets river, too. Yes, including Rostov-on-Don.

It would be a terrible negotiation strategy, but at least it could lead to some actually useful negotiations when both sides would recognize the situation. Of course that would require us to actually be willing to back Ukraine properly, which we're clearly not.