Xbox announces partnership with AMD for "next generation Xbox consoles"

[JRPGfan]

haxxiy said:

JRPGfan said:

Whats kinda crazy is the die sizes between the two.

(xbox) 408mm^2  vs (playstation) 280mm^2 

PS5 is 260mm^2 in the slim, so PS6 at 280mm^2 is a ~7% increase in chip size.
Xbox Series X is 360,4 mm^2, so new Xbox console is ~13% increase in chip size.


However the differnce between the two new console is ~46%  (408mm^2 vs 280mm^2).

Like a digital PS5 can be had for 499$.
Maybe Sony is able to make the PS6 digital at 550$ release.... while sold at a tiny loss.

Can you imagine if the new Xbox console comes out at like 900$ or more? 

The typical mom in store, looking for a console for their kid, is getting a PlayStation.
A 350$ difference between two consoles sitting next to one another on a store shelf is gonna have some kinda effect.

And yes, the Xbox will likely be more powerfull than the PS6 and the difference might be more drastic than the PS5 vs Series X...
but honestly at these high resolutions, will the avg consumer care? if the PS6 runs a lower resolution?  Look at how successful the Switch 2 is.

Xbox will need that hybrid pc push, to sell these units.
Otherwise it won't make sense.

Doing some quick math, using a wafer price of $20,000 with a low-ish defect rate and assuming both dies are square, that yields an average cost of $190 vs. $118 per good die per wafer, a $72 difference in price.

Of course, the larger die comes with added... everything else.

Did you use one of those calculators where you input defect rates and such?
Because I remember costs not scaling linearly. The bigger the dies get the price goes up by alot. 

Anyways its not just the die size and cost of that, the heat is going to be more (like ~250w vs ~350w) and thus the case size and cooling solutions,
everything is impacted.  Also if you want it to function as a hybrid pc, it might need more ram... like a list of small things.
If its dual booting, it might need to have 2 OS's installed on the hard drive, which takes up space ect.

Your point is that it shouldn't be drastically more than the PS6 in costs?

I just took the price of the current Consoles on the market, and added the increases to them.

PS5 digital @499$ + 7% bigger die = 533$
with new die nodes likely more expensive + new tech + inflation lets say = 550$.




Xsx digital @599$ +13,4% bigger die = 680$

with new die nodes likely more expensive + bigger heatsinks/case/diskdrive/ram sizes (pc hybrid) + inflation + not willing to sell at a loss because other store fronts will eat into profits = ~800$+ 


Even MLIS is saying he is sure this thing will be over 800$.
That's why I picked 900$..... suppose its made by a 3rd party like Asus that also want to make a profit selling these things.
Just the nature of things.