| Doctor_MG said: No you aren't, you specifically emphasize portable design and functionality |
You are being highly disingenuous. I literally listed almost every aspect of the Switch.
If anything the controllers for the Switch just reinforce the fact it's a mobile device, they are designed to detach from the console and be used separately for 2 player gaming while on the go.
So thanks for agreeing there.
Let's not forget there are devices like the Lenovo Legion Go with detachable controllers... It's still a PC Handheld.
| Doctor_MG said: for home console functionality (separate controllers from the console, connection of additional controllers, HDMI out, multiple accounts, etc.). The entire concept IS a hybrid device. That is what it was designed to be. |
Multiple accounts is how you justify it being a hybrid? WTF.
That's just a standard operating system feature for the past 3+ decades... I had a Windows NT (Released 32 years ago) laptop at one point which allowed for multiple accounts... Windows 3.1 even had that.
Once consoles were powerful enough and Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony were happy to dedicate resources to OS features and functionality, multiple accounts then existed... Which ironically went hand in hand with online gaming and the need for accounts and online registration.
The Switch console is literally a handheld with a dumb USB-C dock that outputs HDMI.
Again... That's actually a feature of the USB-C standard for hardware manufacturers to implement if they wanted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C
It's not a Nintendo innovation, it's a USB forum specification which was/is backed by Compaq, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, NEC, Nortel, HP, NEC, Microsoft, Apple Inc., Intel, and Broadcom and more... Who build and ratify various USB standards via industry collaboration.
| Doctor_MG said: It HAS to use mobile components and have mobile features to accomplish that task otherwise it wouldn't have the ability to be hybrid. It ALSO has features of traditional home consoles. But it hits neither perfectly because of the nature of the console. |
It has to use mobile components because it's a mobile device. Not a difficult concept when that it's primary design concept.
If it was a true hydbrid device, then it's capabilities would be enhanced and augmented via additional hardware in the dock... But it doesn't. The dock is just a simple and dumb device.
| Doctor_MG said: Marketing is a factor in what we consider a product to be, and I don't know why you consider this to be null and void. |
No it isn't. And it is null and void.
Companies the world over always make ludicrous claims in order to make their products more appealing and to make them sell.
Companies literally have a legal requirement to make money in order to make a return for their investors/shareholders.
Marketing has been full of bullshit lies, propaganda and false information.
Some good ones in console gaming has been:
* Two Gamepads on the Wii U. - No.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2011/06/14/fils-aime-wii-u-can-support-two-controllers
* PS3 was capable of 120fps. - The HDMI spec in the PS3 didn't support this.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/kutaragi-claims-ps3-could-run-at-120-fps
* Blast Processing. - Advertising propaganda at it's finest.
https://segaretro.org/Blast_processing
* Atari Jaguar being a 64bit console. - It was 16bit with 32bit Co-Processors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Jaguar
* Power of the Cloud that would give Xbox One an edge over the PS4.
https://www.eurogamer.net/microsoft-makes-the-case-for-xbox-ones-300-000-server-cloud-but-what-do-developers-think
* Google Stadia being a 4k service, when games were actually upscaled from a lower resolution.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/class-action-suit-takes-aim-at-google-stadias-4k-claims
* Playstation Emotion Engine. - Real time Physics, hair, clothing simulation impacted by things like wind.
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/game-platforms/sony-busts-out-with-playstation-2-news
* Nintendo Switch 2 would support VRR whilst docked and used in handheld. - Which was false, it's handheld only.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nintendo-apologizes-for-switch-2-error/ar-AA1EWBJR
And you think that advertising is a bastion of truth? The evidence and history that I have presented... Has determined that to be a lie.
Sorry to demolish your argument here, but facts are facts are facts.
| Doctor_MG said: To me it seems you essentially fundamentally disagree with the idea that a hybrid game console can be created, and you suggest consoles can essentially only be one of two categories: stationary or mobile. Because even if the dock had additional hardware, you'd still have the same elements you claim to make it a portable (screen, battery, mobile chipset, etc). If that's true, then the rest of this conversation is pointless, because we have to at least be able to agree something can exist in order to have a discussion. |
That is false. I don't disagree that a hybrid console can not be created.
Thus far the Switch and Switch 2 are mobile devices that are required to connect to a dock for charging and outputting video over USB-C.
Nintendo for all intents has left the fixed home console market and focused on their core strengths which was mobile gaming.
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Thus far your only argument has been is: "Nintendo says it's a handheld, so it must be true". - And that's just comical.
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