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Hardstuck-Platinum on 26 September 2025
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EricHiggin said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

It was entirely beside the point anyway. Trying to claim that it's better to have Xbox in the market, and taking away Market share from PlayStation is better for PlayStation because it makes them look good is a crazy argument to make. Yes, Sony probably wont inherit exactly all of those 30 million but it will inherit a lot of them and my point still stands. There's really no need to respond to the haters anymore because Xbox is now selling 800$-1000$ XBSX consoles/ROG handhelds and clearly doesn't care about growing market share, and Borderlands 4 was just indefinitely postponed for the Switch 2. So, if you want a decently powerful, reasonably costing console PlayStation is your only option. If you dislike PlayStation, your disliking your only option. It just makes no sense.  

Isn't about half the PS4 userbase still refraining from transitioning to PS5?

75M (PS5) + 58M (PS4) = 133M

133M - 117M = 16M

PS5 is also a bit behind PS4 launch aligned correct? So let's say 14M-15M.

How many of those 14-15 million are brand new gamers vs XB gamers transitioning to PS5?

This is a good point as people always ignore the PS4 when they shouldn't. There's still tens of millions of active PlayStation gamers on there and your right, there is no reason for them to be discounted. No way of knowing the split of migrating from Xbox/new gamers though? Is just pure speculation. 

EricHiggin said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Sony are in a luxury position next gen. They can release a console as expensive as they please because there is no competitor that has the will to fight with them on price anymore. Just look at Xbox's 800$ console as proof of that. It can also be a meagre upgrade and cheap console and nothing bad can happen because there's no competitors who want to release a a cheap console in that power range. Switch 2 is still much weaker than PS5. It all comes down to Sony's preference of how they want to do business and what works best for them. They will win with whatever strategy they choose but I guess it's what's best for the shareholders.

Why release a PS6? The majority were saying the same thing about PS5 Pro, rightly assuming this would be what followed. Poor sales (vs PS4 Pro).

SNY now knows in the future, that they can either launch a mid gen Pro again, but in the same manner as PS4 and not PS5, or they can skip Pro.

Either that or SNY copies XB Series and launches PS6 with a cheap base SKU and a more expensive Pro SKU.

Seeing leaks that XB will probably just have a high end PC like SKU next gen, which will be expensive, will allow SNY, and possibly push them to want to sell an expensive Pro SKU right from launch to have something to (indirectly) compete with XB.

Even if that's the XB approach, SNY cannot just pull another PS3 luxury expensive console again. If SNY launch a single PS6 SKU that's $599 or higher, it's going to lead to very poor sales and a terrible 10th generation.

It's too early to call the PS5 Pro a definitive failure yet. It might get a massively improved version of GTA6 and sales might explode for the Pro. I think Sony is going to wait until GTA6 can turn it around before making any final judgements on pro models. 

The problem with this post is, is that it doesn't take into consideration how much competition affects prices. The only reason we've had cheap consoles is because of the very intense battle for market share between Sony and MS. XBSX cost 700$ to make in 2020 but competition with Sony forced the price down substantially. Incredibly. it even went down to 350$ in holiday 2023. If there was no competition they would have just launched it at the price of what it cost to make, and there's nothing wrong with doing that. MS wouldn't have been greedy launching the XBSX at 700$, it would've just been a break even sale. 

Point is, people are going to be forced into paying whatever the production cost is for the PS6 because Sony now has no reason to lower the price to anything below because of MS no longer competing for cheaper consoles. This means the only way we'll get a cheap console is if they make one that is cheap to produce.