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| EricHiggin said: Plenty didn't and still don't see DJT as Republican or on the right, they just see him as part of that affiliation since that's what he ran under. Are they wrong? Did DJT run as a Republican because that's what he is, or are there other more important reasons? Can we trust what he said or did back then? Can we trust what he says or does now? If everyone was jumping off a bridge, does that most likely mean it's the right thing to do? Do entities ever work together to accomplish a goal? Are those goals always for the better? Better for everyone? I didn't mean a product when I said 'product', and didn't mean sale when I said 'selling'. That should've been obvious as you realize it doesn't make any sense. Much like you should have realized what my questions are all about and what your answers have been proving about them. Suggesting that things were never better in the past makes no sense. Things don't only ever get better, and at times, things are so bad, they need to be reverted before progress can actually be made, like with poorly updated broken products, for example. It has nothing to do with society being 'perfect' at some point in the past, since that's not a thing. Relativity, not ideology. The center politically has shifted towards the right because pretty much everything has drifted and expanded so far left. |
Being a big "R" Republican is an affiliation. Political parties are defined by the association of their members. There is no essence to being a "Republican." It's precisely why the party under Donald Trump, as its leader, is very different than under - say - Calvin Coolidge or Abraham Lincoln.
The rest of your questions are anti-empirical nonsense. The only way to understand the world is to critically make observations of it. It is silly to go through a conspiratorial hole without actual evidence.
I understand your product analogy. I think it fails. Society is much more stigmergic/spontaneously ordered than an implemented product. Thinking of society as a product to be designed is a very authoritarian way to think of it.
Nobody mentioned a perfect society. Palingenetic views don't depend on there having been a perfect society in thr past, but rather an overall better one that should be replicated and returned to. You don't need to return to an old revision of a product to make it better. You can be inspired by old ideas, but usually returning entirely to something old is a mistake. There are a multitude of reasons why society propelled and changed from that old status.
Sorry no. Not everything shifted to the far left. Americans have fewer labor rights, for example, than in 1950. Top marginal income tax rates are lower. Wealth inequality is higher. Public goods like education are more expensive (relatively.) As far as economics is concerned the U.S is shifted rightward. Things have shifted culturally leftward, yes, but the alternative of that happening literally is for the U.S as a polity to fracture according to cultural lines (like it almost did during the Civil War.) That is why things changed.
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