Conservative activist Charlie Kirk murdered in Utah

[angrypoolman]

Lucca said:

angrypoolman said:

I can at least confidently say that there is not a single person in american politics (my home country) where I would celebrate this, say this is deserved, or not feel any sort of sympathy/empathy for them or their family. not one. and thats an easy call to make. 

Read my post again. The extreme case for that absolute isn't the worst person *in American politics* *today*, it's the worst person anywhere ever. You can argue that you shouldn't celebrate the death of any current political figures in America, but that is subjective as long as you concede that there has been a person in history whose death is celebratable. An absolute is called an absolute because it has no conditions.

Since the absolute is not true, one has to provide reasons as to why his death should not be celebrated–and grapple with the reasons why it would–instead of just shutting people down with bullshit faux-empathic aphorisms and refusing to think any further about it.

yes dude I know what you said. i was not arguing against it. i was narrowing the scope of the sentiment because it is only sensible to do so. I am not going to compare today's current american politicians and political commentators to political leaders in other countries that spew rhetoric im not familiar with, I am going to compare him to his peers because that is the only sensible thing to do. the point you are making is not profound at all. of course there are people we would celebrate the death of, such as scum bags who murder innocent women trying to take public transit home after a day of work.

i would never wish this on somebody who i have a political disagreement with, no matter how much I thought their rhetoric harms society. do you know why? because I understand that people argue for the things they do because they believe if more people adopt their viewpoint, it will be better for society. thats why people engage in political discourse. its all for this same exact reason.

I dont care how much you disagree with the things he said, if you are going to excuse this and give us all this mental exercise to imagine the worst person we can and celebrate their death in order to provide cover who are doing the same for charlie kirk because "they are just using a different yardstick" or whatever, then that speaks more about who you are and what you are about than it does about charlie kirk, because he would never, ever go that low. 

Last edited by angrypoolman - on 11 September 2025