Do you consider yourself more left or right wing?

[Chrkeller]

sc94597 said:

Chrkeller said:

I was obviously talking about income, but fair.  SS and state are a percent, so high income earners are paying more.  Property tax is based on home value, so high income are paying more.  Sales tax is a percent so high income via more expensive items are paying more.  

6.5% of 150k is more than 6.5% of 50k... in fact 3x more.  

The bottom 50% are paying a fraction compared to the top 50%, sorry that is a fact.

The solution to all the problems can't be "steal money from others."  

Yes they're paying more but they're also getting more. Social security payouts are contribution-based. You get more if you pay more over the course of your work-life. But even then, a person making $500,000 per year pays a lower SS rate because FICA is capped for SS.

Wealthy people benefit from large police and military operations more than poor people, because they have much more property and supply lines to protect. Poor people mainly just have their possessions. It is a lot easier and cheaper to secure possessions than a multi-national corporation's assets.

Wealthy people benefit from having an educated workforce to employ and increase the returns on their stocks or profits in their company through productivity gains. 

Again, the point I brought up is that the social programs that benefit bottom 50% are usually funded by flat rates. So there isn't much redistribution toward the poor going on. 

And the point of an income tax being graduated is that the more wealth you have the more the state has to do to secure it (and the supply lines that promulgate it) for you, and therefore you should pay more for the defense the state provides than a person who has much less to protect.

sc94597 said:

Chrkeller said:

I was obviously talking about income, but fair.  SS and state are a percent, so high income earners are paying more.  Property tax is based on home value, so high income are paying more.  Sales tax is a percent so high income via more expensive items are paying more.  

6.5% of 150k is more than 6.5% of 50k... in fact 3x more.  

The bottom 50% are paying a fraction compared to the top 50%, sorry that is a fact.

The solution to all the problems can't be "steal money from others."  

Yes they're paying more but they're also getting more. Social security payouts are contribution-based. You get more if you pay more over the course of your work-life. But even then, a person making $500,000 per year pays a lower SS rate because FICA is capped for SS.

Wealthy people benefit from large police and military operations more than poor people, because they have much more property and supply lines to protect. Poor people mainly just have their possessions. It is a lot easier and cheaper to secure possessions than a multi-national corporation's assets.

Wealthy people benefit from having an educated workforce to employ and increase the returns on their stocks or profits in their company through productivity gains. 

Again, the point I brought up is that the social programs that benefit bottom 50% are usually funded by flat rates. So there isn't much redistribution toward the poor going on. 

And the point of an income tax being graduated is that the more wealth you have the more the state has to do to secure it (and the supply lines that promulgate it) for you, and therefore you should pay more for the defense the state provides than a person who has much less to protect.

We should pay more and guess what?  We do.  The bottom 50% pay around 4% income, while I'm paying 20%....  

The solution can't be steal money from others for all problems.  

97% of federal income is funded by the top 50%....  we are paying more.  A **** ton more.