Sydney Sweeney does an ad for jeans, media throws a hissy fit

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Chrkeller said:

IcaroRibeiro said:

This is the first group: The group of dumb people who are consciously voting against themselves for no rational reason 

I'm very familiar with them and don't need to live in USA to understand since there are plenty of them in Brazil, although not in the same volume as in USA

I guess it something cultural, but still strange. I guess not everyone has a built-in mechanism to be sympathetic for the less affortunated which explain the rich voting for pro-market candidates, but I thought at least voting for their own benefit would be the norm

Wrong.  Self sustained pride is part of their culture.  We shouldn't be bashing culture because it doesn't fit within our personal beliefs.

They are not part of the "dumb" group, because they aren't dumb.  Calling people dumb really isn't appropriate and doesn't add to the discussion.

Do you have any evidence for your claims other than being from the region? I mean I spent about 10 years in Wisconsin and 6 years in Michigan and was on WIC with my first kid in Michigan. It was a pain in the ass to get on the program but I didn't see any evidence that people were "living a modest life" because they didn't want to take free food when they qualified. 

https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2022/03/ideology-impacts-who-seeks-federal-benefits

From what I can tell Americans take up social services pretty well unless there are barriers put up around them. Do you have evidence that: 1. there's a difference in social services uptake in America compared to other countries and 2. this difference cannot be explained by differences in access such as the above?