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Chrkeller said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

This is the first group: The group of dumb people who are consciously voting against themselves for no rational reason 

I'm very familiar with them and don't need to live in USA to understand since there are plenty of them in Brazil, although not in the same volume as in USA

I guess it something cultural, but still strange. I guess not everyone has a built-in mechanism to be sympathetic for the less affortunated which explain the rich voting for pro-market candidates, but I thought at least voting for their own benefit would be the norm

Wrong.  Self sustained pride is part of their culture.  We shouldn't be bashing culture because it doesn't fit within our personal beliefs.

They are not part of the "dumb" group, because they aren't dumb.  Calling people dumb really isn't appropriate and doesn't add to the discussion.

I can call them stupid, if you think it's a less offensive word. I'm not good at sugarcoating my words in English

The reason why I think it's stupid is because this is a group that cannot be reasoned with. It's a group of people who already analyzed and understand the consequences of their votes and decided people losing their homes and dying without healthcare is a good enough outcome because... *check notes* NOBODY should get state aid

I mean, you could argue if those people are prideful they could keep using private services. In a country with progressive taxes, the poor pay less taxes, so it's not like they would be the ones subsiding free healthcare anyways