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[LurkerJ]

thehunter said:

@Lurker, I don't blame you for feeling tempted to giving up but I would caution that if the elites don't feel at least some kind of pressure or accountability for their actions, the days when direct accountability through representation are numbered.

Many analogies have been made between our time and the Roman Republic's but this pattern has played out over and over during history, such as Russia in the 1910s.  

There's a saying on the right: "you only elect communism once", but I think we could apply that to any form of aristocratic government coming to power.  If we forsake even the compromised representative republic (US) or democracy (elsewhere) now, the real-world consequences will hit when our kids aren't eligible for life-saving medicine under NHS policy, get designated for MAID, or are simply sold to an Amazon or Walmart smart city. 

I saw a situation I had written off in Canada turn around in such a profound way in 2022 that it led to the collapse of a crisis/reaction/solution situation around the globe, even though the panic and vitriol of those days from officials and neighbors seem insane now. 

The only hopeless situation is when we give up on the hope that things can change.  Clinton, Bush, Prince Andrew and the others can be brought to justice if we are willing to see it through. 

In the US, this means that every Republican who facilitated this cover-up needs to be primaried/dark-horsed, along with the Democrats who helped cover it up before this year.  Make it personal at the ballot box.

I don't think you understood what I was trying to say, but then again, I don't think I explained it well.

I'll go farther than anyone has gone here; "Well done on the MAGA base for forcing the conversation on the Epstein Files". But if we're being consistent, there would and should be an almost daily blowback against politicians everywhere in the Western world. And certainly for Trump, more than any other politician, there are a thousand other instances in which he deserved similar, if not bigger, blowback.

Yes, we should aim for a future in which we hold politicians accountable for every minuscule mistake they make knowingly. But it's going to be hard if we keep fooling ourselves and electing criminals and terrible people, whether if it's a Republican or a Democrat, prevention is better than cure.

How about we elect someone like Bernie Sanders for once? I don't know about Massie, but he sounds like a good guy, even if I disagree with him on everything, why don't you elect someone like him for a change? As long as we keep electing the most famous guy, or the most experienced guy, or the guy who took the most money from IPAC and similar organizations, we'll never get anywhere meaningful besides choosing the lesser evil, and politicians will continue to get away with murder and worse.

Electing someone like Trump and then try to hold him accountable, seems such a backward way of doing things that will never work.

Last edited by LurkerJ - on 27 July 2025