| thehunter said: All I'll say pi guy before I end the night is that you have no idea how good you've got it or the inheritance you've received from the US's legal and cultural history. |
No, I know exactly how good I have it. Which is why I'm frustrated with conservatives tearing it down.
| thehunter said: I don't know if you were born here or not, but I've experienced the leftism which you clearly admire first-hand: the lies, the manipulation, the poverty and yes, the murders. |
Leftism is not some singular thing.
A lot of the things that you associate with leftism, are a general problem with authoritarianism. Which I am strongly opposed to.
Nuance, there's a difference between different groups of left wingers, different groups of right wingers, etc.
Some left wingers will argue that all of your examples of left wing are actually right wing, because there are still hierarchies in place.
People disagree on what these words mean, even when they claim to be on the same side of the aisle.
| thehunter said: You cry wounded cat regularly here and demand others support their positions with citations or links but you can't seem to measure up to your own standard, let alone the expectation that the US shoulders on its citizens to, as Ben Franklin put it, keep the republic. |
Uh, I did provide citations. I threw in 3 links about the white house covering up Biden's decline before Svennoj did.
But I also don't have this illusion that I'm perfect or that the tens of millions of American left wingers are all somehow perfect.
A lot of them are scumbags who would happily give up their principles for convenience, or on the other end of it would happily let the world rot if they thought it meant they kept to their principles.
| thehunter said: How many Chinese, North Korean, European, South American and Caribbean residents would risk life and limb to have the experience you enjoy tonight as you selectively look to score political points and dismantle the system that millions in the rest of the world envy? |
Fewer and fewer people are trying to get here as time goes on.
Where I did say anything about discarding it? You're being dishonest here.
| thehunter said: Again, do yourself and your fellow Americans a favor and start asking folks who voted for Trump what they see their aim as and those from other parts of the world why they're clamoring to get here. In closing, I'll borrow a favorite leftist line: educate yourself. |
I do. It's why I waste so much time trying to have these conversations.
Even when people are clearly not trying to have conversations in good faith.
Or for whatever reason they're not capable of making meaningful distinctions. I try to make meaningful distinctions between someone who lies to benefit themselves, someone who is in denial - someone who genuinely believes the false things they're saying, someone who makes a genuine mistake.
I would say those are all different things, even if on the surface - they each said something that was false - all looks the same.
Just like I think you should be able to look at 10 supposedly left wing countries, and determine the actual differences. Are they actually doing a good job of espousing left wing principles? Could a different left wing system work better?
Having those nuanced discussions is an important part of educating oneself. So far, your history here tells me that you're either uninterested in having those more complicated discussions or you are incapable.
I would love to see you prove me wrong on that.
