| JuliusHackebeil said: How would you see it if somebody took your money for racist reasons, like only helping one particular race? If I were poor and this might have to do with racism of the past, I would not want to receive money for being white. Only for being poor. Because other poor people, who are not white, are equally as deserving of help. |
Context is everything. Helping historically disadvantaged groups become less disadvantaged? A-ok. Helping the already disproportionately advantaged become even more so? Not ok in my book - or at least there are far better uses of our resources.
| JuliusHackebeil said: This is exactly how I explain most of it, yes. Culture, work ethics, family values. |
You think black culture is more responsible for the racial wealth gap than this country's extensive and well documented history of racial oppression? You're really telling on yourself here. If this is the mindset I'm dealing with then it's really not worth engaging with much further.
| JuliusHackebeil said: Did you know that before the wellfare state many statistics for blacks seemed favourable in comparison to whites? I wrote about that in a comment above. A government cheque clearly does not help the problem. In fact, it seems to have worsened it. |
| JuliusHackebeil said: I am not even saying that racism is just gone now. But not even children from the same family have similarly successful lifes. |
Opportunity does not equal outcome, but it sure does help. A poor, disadvantaged kid can become more successful than a rich, privileged one, but it's FAR less likely. Does this really need to be spelled out for you?
| JuliusHackebeil said: How would you expect that between groups of different cultures? Why are asians so successful? Because they get a leg up due to their race? Certainly not. How are jews so successful? Because their religious texts have the secret to a good career? Of course not. |
This reveals a severe ignorance of this country's socioeconomic history. Black people were brought here as slaves with less than nothing to their names. Some asians were also indentured, but then they were literally expelled and most of the ones we have today were those wealthy enough to immigrate 'properly'. Most jews similarly did not arrive here as destitute as black people. If they did, they often had connections already established in the states to lean on (again, unlike Africans).
| JuliusHackebeil said: Why are black people who are just coming to the USA with nothing, more successful in one generation than most blacks who already lived their in the 6th or 7th generation? |
I severely doubt refugees arriving here with half a shirt on their back are really outperforming established African Americans on average. Do you have a credible source for that? Again, perhaps you are comparing lower class AA families buried in debt to African immigrants wealthy enough to immigrate through the legal channels. Not exactly a fair comparison.
| JuliusHackebeil said: I think it is high time to admit that different cultures produce different outcomes and some are better for a successful life and some are worse. (And just to be sure, quick disclaimer, I am not saying that humans are better or worse because of their skin colour. They are better geared towards success because of their culture, which might coincide with their skin colour.) |
I think it is high time to admit that you're really out of your depth and that racial history and generational wealth have far more to do with today's socioeconomic outcomes than any racist assumptions about culture.
