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pokoko on 21 June 2025
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sundin13 said:
pokoko said:

If the Left isn't geared toward elites and elite-wannabes then why is it so out of touch with the poor and the working class?  Why did people they thought they had wrapped up turn away?  Why are shows like The View still around, where the hosts sound like they have no idea what the real world is like?

More importantly, why did Democrats spend the last several years COMPLETELY ignoring lower income white people in their messaging, despite that being the largest group of poor in the US?  On the surface, does that make any sense at all?  I'll tell you why--because their well-off, "progressive" target class doesn't care about poor people unless they're some type of minority.  Not only do they not care but research indicates that they are actually prejudiced against lower income white people and have the mentality of "it must be their own fault".

I will also add that I don't believe many members of the Left care about poor racial minorities, either.  Lots of their policies and programs are badly thought out charities that do very little actual good.  They exist for show and only really serve to keep people dependent and voting for more, like addicts going back to their source.  It's pandering, pure and simple.  I kind of hoped the Left would reevaluate after recent elections but it looks like they're just going to double down and simply pray the Right screws up enough to let them back in the door.

I feel like this type of hyper-emotional arguing leaves me not really sure what to say. It's all about how you feel or what you personally believe. We aren't dealing with a shared reality or any set of debatable facts. There is just a fanfiction about the progressives that you've made up and are now attempting to wield in an argument. 

What am I supposed to do with that?

Here's what I'll say: Compare actual policy proposals and tell me what side hates the poor.

Look at the "Big Beautiful Bill", for example. The poorest Americans (lowest decile) are set to lose roughly 2-4% of their household resources, while the richest Americans are set to see their household resources increase by 2-4%. Thats hundreds of thousands of dollars going into the pockets of the richest people in this country every year and what fraction of that loss is being paid for is coming from the pockets of the poorest Americans, who will go hungry or avoid seeking necessary healthcare as a result. This is one of the most regressive bills in decades.

Is that the policy of a party that is truly looking out for the poorest Americans? 

As long as you're still doing the whole "my side are the good guys" thing, nothing you say has anything to do with reality.  If you're a reliable voter then you won't need reality, you can just follow the sound of the pipes.

You also clearly didn't read my entire post or you're simply misrepresenting what I said to make it fit into your dichotomy--and I refuse.  If you don't want to see the flaws in the side you support then that's on your head.  I don't care if you do or don't.

As far as which party cares about the poor, are you fucking joking?  Neither one gives a damn.  Wake up.

I went to a poor rural school, in a poor county, in a poor state.  We didn't have computers until a local company donated their outdated units from storage, which were completely useless by that point.  Not only could they not run modern software but we only had around 12 of them.  I remember sharing one with an older student but the teacher stopped teaching because he said there was no purpose.  Meanwhile, the big focus for the Democrats at the time were inner city schools.  That is all they cared about.  Not disadvantaged students in general, no, just those who met certain criteria.  The part that I find most ironic is that my graduating class was around 50% black, but they were fucked, too, because they shared a school with lower income white kids.

I remember reading that some of those inner city schools that were getting so much attention and support actually had advanced computer and networking classes.  That must have made those rich progressive white people really pleased with themselves.

Do you know what actually changes for the vast majority of the poor and working class when either Democrats and Republicans are in office?  Nothing.  If it did then people wouldn't get fed up and switch back and forth every few years.