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[firebush03]

SvennoJ said:

firebush03 said:

I’m not trying to be rude or anything, I’m just asking for clarification. I like hearing new perspectives. (Also, the word was given to the Jewish people, and they failed (as anybody would have expected, for man is inherently rife with sin (1 John 1:5–10). Jesus came as the Christ to save the whole world (John 1:9–13).) (And since when were Palestinians/Israelis considered white?)

Edit: Reading your second message, you seem to have a misunderstanding: I am prolly the most (among this forum) opposed to the Gaza genocide. I almost abstained from voting in 2024 due to Biden heinous contributions.

Well it's mostly the white imported Israelis that are for this genocide :/

Look at the Settlers, those are not the Mizrahi Jews that are descendants of ancient Levant just like the Palestinians still living in the area.

Mizrahi Jews in Israel have historically faced discrimination and marginalization, particularly from the dominant Ashkenazi Jewish community. This discrimination manifested in various forms, including social prejudice, economic disparity, and denial of equal opportunities in sectors like education and housing.

It's the white immigrants causing all the trouble.

And yes, you're far ahead of the rest of the world recognizing this as a genocide. Yet it's born out of western colonial white privilege and still fueled by exactly that.

I shared this response with my bro and he had some words to say:

I agree that white western privilege is real and white westerners aim to preserve their position of privilege. 

Regarding Israel-Palestine, I agree that white supremacy does to some extent underpin the Zionist project and the ideology of Zionism. However, the fundamental issue is settler-colonialism, not whiteness - for example, Mizrahi Jews and Ethiopian Jews might be treated badly in Israeli society, but they’re still fundamentally engaged in and advancing a colonial project of ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians. Mizrahi Jews are some of the furthest right people in Israel, e.g. Ben-Gvir is Mizrahi. I don’t know the breakdown of Mizrahi vs Ashkenazi Jews settling the WB/East Jerusalem, but I know that Mizrahi broadly support the colonization and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank just as much as Ashkenazi do. This is largely a result of the historical discrimination you mentioned - Mizrahi were pressured by the Ashkenazi to drop their Arab identity and take on a purely Jewish identity, and they have over time overcompensated and become some of the most anti-Arab racist and Jewish supremacist members of Israeli society. 

Tl;dr - white supremacy certainly underpins Zionism and the Israeli colonial project to a large extent, with its origins as a British Empire-backed colonial outpost in the Middle East and continuation as an “unsinkable aircraft carrier” for the American Empire, but the fundamental issue isn’t necessarily whiteness, but rather settler-colonialism regardless of racial/ethnic background of those carrying out the settler-colonialism, be they Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, or Ethiopian.