Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

[shavenferret]

Zkuq said:

shavenferret said:

Right now Ukraine doesn't even have these sorts of missles while Russia on the other hand has enough to fire at legitimate targets and in addition to that unleash a terror campaign. This sudden new ability will indeed be a game changer albeit among the many others that they have benefited from, such as:

-naval drones

-Obtaining F-16 fighters

-Patriot batteries (they just had crappy old Soviet systems before)

etc.  

What will happen when Ukraine can destroy every bridge behind the Russian lines, any war factory, rail depots, and factories ( missles will have a much bigger bang than piddly drones). 

I don't think any of the things you mentioned are considered game-changers. They've all had their impact for sure, but they haven't done much to change the big picture. Naval drones, maybe, and even that's mainly to allow for safer trade rather than impact on actual warfare. I guess if you consider those three game-changers though, new missiles could have a similar impact. I just don't think they're generally considered game-changers, and wouldn't consider them as such.

Without its F-16s, Ukraine would still be flying soviet heaps of shit.  That won't do squat.  Without the Patriots, they would have been a lot worse off.   Those AAA have kept Russia's planes a lot farther off otherwise.  You can't look at things only from the gain that they've displayed, but consider what would happen if they weren't around and/or had an inferior system.  You have to realize right now that Ukraine is fighting something much much larger than itself.  So, when we are talking about game changers, then it simply means that Russia won't fvck the country up even more in its absence.  You're saying that these are all marginal improvements, and they really aren't.  The things i've listed are necessary, vital, and contributed to a large degree.