Wyrdness said:
RE3R is still considered a good game it may not be as good as the other REmakes but then not many games are, spin offs like ORC and such aren't taken in the same context as mainline games hence why I didn't bother bringing up the FF spin offs and even when included Capcom still beats out SE because then we'd be bringing all the FFCCs and Chocobo racings etc... which is pointless as they have no bearing on fans perception of the mainline games, the fact that XIV had to have two development cycles highlight the whole point Capcom at least had their games in a respectable playable form in one go and if we're looking from gen 7 onward we can add VIII and RE4R to the mix it's not the same circumstances as SE. RE6 sold as it did off pure hype this was still in the shadow of RE4 and it was marketed heavily, RE5 was a decent game yes but it also had a great co-op mode which was one of the best of the era so still retained good will with fans Capcom were nowhere near as consistently subpar as SE has been, the difference with Capcom compared to SE is that the former acknowledge RE6 was trash despite sales and took action immediately with RE7 and a full series reboot while SE didn't even have a game in the works they had to take control of Versus and rebrand it XV while chopping and change it to suit and it still launched a mess showing a fundamental problem in management and leadership. To put it in perspective fans went a full six to seven years of a disappointing XIII installment and its follow ups to get XV for another four years and this is with what someone earlier highlighted FFX being the last fully well rounded FF which means someone can make the point that FF has arguably been inconsistent for 20 years that's is going to hurt your brand no matter. Capcom didn't get away with being subpar they fixed the problem before it got out of hand. |
FF11 and 12 weren't less than 10. Who gets to decide what's fully well rounded? The FF fanbase is too whiney and rarely agree on anything. RE fans are just a lot more flexible and forgiving.
Square Enix also fixed their FF14 problem before it got out of hand, and as a result made their most successful game to date and followed up with 4 great expansions, two of them scored 90+, which Resident Evil could never achieve again with a brand new game ever since RE4 from 2005. It hardly matters that it had two development cycles when the end product was a great foundation and people loved it. It is a redemption story.
Capcom consistently released 90+ quality RE games until RE4, and not a single one since. Remakes are nice and do add up, but part of what made RE2 and 4 remakes excellent is existing work modernized. RE7 and 8 aren't quite on the same level. RE3R is just not good, it's more disliked than any mainline FF since FF2.
Even not counting spinoffs, after RE4 (2005) and until RE7 (2017), Capcom released RE5, RE6, Revelations 1 and 2 (both are canon games and arguably mainline), the 4 of them disappointed and helped giving Capcom the moniker "Crapcom" (okay maybe not Rev1 since expectations weren't that high to begin with, being a 3DS game). And while RE7 was certainly very good, neither it nor RE8 were groundbreaking. Their 86/84 scores are fairly representative of the consensus.
Recent Capcom is indeed lightyears ahead of SquareEnix, but that's mainly because SE is (even historically) too reliant on FF as opposed to Capcom having multiple great titles, high genre variety, and more consistent quality as of late. Sales wise however, RE is a general growth whereas Final Fantasy fluctuated too much over smaller mistakes imo. As usual though, the two series are from different genres, had their unique circumstances and therefore we can't make a perfect comparison, so I'm not going to dwell on it more. I'll agree that if SE gets their shit together and start doing things right more consistently and efficiently, FF should start growing again, but it's not going to be comparable to RE's growth, let alone Monster Hunter's. They're gonna have to work much harder for a smaller return.
Last edited by Kyuu - on 16 March 2025
