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Ryuu96 said:

Shaunodon said:

Avowed would've been really cool if it was actually marketed as an action-adventure spin-off set in Eora to compliment the main series, if the main Obsidian team had spent the last 5-6 years making a AAA Pillars of Eternity III instead.

All I can say now is we better pray that Playground have seen what happened to The Veilguard and Avowed and actually heed their warning. Just give fans and gamers what they want, is that asking a lot?

I can somewhat understand that the lack of sales and buzz around Pillars of Eternity II was disappointing. I think the timing of that game and the lack of marketing were probably the biggest factors, since it was incredibly well rated by everyone who actually played it.

If they simply had the foresight to put their enhanced budget behind a sequel in the vein of Baladur's Gate III or a modern Dragon Age: Origins, there's a massive gap and demand in the market right now. Look at all the frustration and disappointment after The Veilguard, how can they not see this? This isn't something new, GreedFall came out almost 6 full years ago now and exposed the demand for this genre.

Gamers are hungry for deeper RPGs with more immersive and innovative mechanics, not shallow experiences with mediocre writing and meaningless choices. Everyone in the industry can see the contrast between Kingdom Come and Avowed right now, they set themselves up for this.

Avowed is a spin-off set in Eora. Pillars of Eternity 2 bombed and was critically acclaimed. What makes you think Pillars of Eternity III with an AAA budget would fair better? Avowed now is likely the main series for the Eora universe. Although I'd not be surprised if Pillars of Eternity carries on alongside Avowed but they both tackle different stories.

What do you even mean, what happened to Avowed? It sits at an 82 OpenCritic. Why you acting like it was a failure? C'mon man, Lmao. What is it that gamers wanted from Avowed? To most gamers it would be considered essentially a new IP. Better off asking Pillars of Eternity fans what they wanted and from what I've seen Pillars of Eternity fans are happy.

Lots of people are praising Avowed's dialogue, choices and RPG mechanics. You don't speak for everyone, I don't think it has mediocre writing or meaningless choices at all. I don't know where you're browsing but the ResetEra Avowed OT was full with praise, it has a lot of high scores from critics and it sits at 80% on Steam even despite the angry bigots.

Kingdom Come focuses more on the simulation elements, that's fine, likewise I could say that Kingdom Come gameplay looks like dogshit compared to Avowed, but I didn't, until now, Lol. FWIW I think Avowed is even better than The Outer Worlds and that is also the general reception I am seeing. It's like dooming over Fallout New Vegas 84 OpenCritic.

It is a strong start for a new franchise which can only go up from here with a smoother development.

Personally I would have had zero interest in Pillars of Eternity III AAA Remix.

And for the love of God can people stop pretending like Baldur's Gate 3 was developed by a tiny team? Larian has over 500 employees with 7 locations, Avowed's development team was 120ish by comparison. Obsidian does NOT want to work on massive AAA productions, they've made that clear multiple times, let them make what they want to make. Pillars of Eternity 2 almost crashed Josh Sawyer out the industry.

This is why I use words like 'foreseight'. Larian started with 50 employees but their team size grew multitudes during the development of Baldur's Gate III. Why? Because they were actually inspired to make something innovative and ambitious. Where is the innovation and ambition with Avowed?

The only people I've heard glowing about Avowed are here in this thread. If everyone you see is also glowing about it too you must have an extremely curated list of sites and places you're willing to visit, because everywhere else I've seen talking about it is apatheitc at best. And that's the ones who were even willing to give it a chance, since there was barely anyone even interested to begin with.

Now consider how long this took to develop and how little return they're likely to see, you really want to convince me this is somehow a success? Pillars of Eternity II at least did well over time thanks to it's inherent quality and greet feedback. Avowed is only going to get much worse now that the game is actually out proper and reviews will likely dip more if anyone else is even willing to review it.

It's not like I'm here to specifically doom the game, since like I said, there are at least some parts that I still enjoy. But this is the reality whether you like it or not. This game is not well received overall, and the lack of general interest could be a blessing or curse, if you want to simply give it credit for not being a Veilguard level high profile disaster.