crissindahouse said:
That list doesn't even take the EU budget into account which is obviously all money which also came from the EU countries. That's like 50 billion more on top of what every single country did. So even without refugee costs, pretty much every European country spent more compared to their GDP as USA did. Europe obviously still missed to invest more in their military the last decades but yeah, all this "Europe needs to do more to catch up with Ukraine help" from Trump when Europe already does more is annoying... It also doesn't help to argue now about this. Yes, many European countries didn't invest enough in their military but the war is now and we have to check which country can do what now. Everything else is something which needs to get better in the future. USA also misses to invest more to fight natural disasters like the fire around LA now but it would be ridiculous from Canada to tell USA "we don't help you because you could have done more" |
That is true, we should have been more prepared, but these are the realities we live in, the alternative is watching Ukraine die to punish Western Europe for not doing enough? But either way, we are all getting better now, Europe is reinvesting in its military and increasing its GDP %. Everyone can still do more, including America and if everyone put themselves in even a slightly uncomfortable situation, the war would have been won, Russia would be defeated, but we don't because we're scared of...Russia...? Lol.
America invested a disgustingly massive amount into their military, bigger than Russia and China combined, we didn't force them to do that, now when the time comes, all I hear is America whining at us and complaining, America wanting something in return, what was their military investment even for? They have a chance to defeat one of the two main reasons for their military even existing and they're pissing their pants at the idea and trying to weasel out of it, I suppose it meant more to America to have a dick measuring contest than actually stop Russia and China aggression.
Many European countries do more than America, and a number are begging America and Western Europe to do more whilst putting everything on the line, it is not just a Western European issue and even then it is nuanced, there are some things America does better than Western Europe, some things Western Europe does better than America but I can't say either one is fully pulling their weight.
But my issue was specifically about Trump pillaging Ukraine in exchange for support, it's fucked up no matter how you slice it, I can accept it's necessary to ensure American support whilst still acknowledging that it's fucked up. What next? Is America going to demand Taiwan hand over all their chip factories to American companies in exchange for support from China? Demand South Korea hands over Samsung in exchange for support? Lol.
Fuck sake, there's like hundreds of billions in frozen Russian assets, at least start with taking that, Ukraine will need its resources post-war to recover. It is fucked up to ask allies, or people fighting for their lives, to give up anything in exchange for support, America's just think they're safe across the ocean so why should they help anyone, that kind of logic got Japan bombing them...Just because Russia or anyone else isn't a threat to America now doesn't mean they won't be in the future.
Imagine if after America's 9/11 and them called on NATO to support them if we demanded America surrender their oil to us in exchange for support and before it is said that Ukraine isn't an ally of America, they have a 10-year bilateral security agreement and that is on top of the Budapest Memorandum that Republicans are trying to ignore and Democrats didn't do enough to protect.
