What is a "Woke" Game

[Runa216]

JRPGfan said:

Runa216 said:

Funny when you think about it. 

If going woke = going broke, then why is it that companies are marketing to the woke crowd? 

I think some of it, is just being scared of the left side (the woke side) that love to toss labels at everyone and name call people.
These big companies don't want to be called racist or transphobic or whatever, so rather than risk that, they pander to them instead.
Look at SBI, the company lead, did a speech where she basically talked about going to HR, and mentioning this risk factor, as a easy way to get your DEI point across if you work at a company (it comes off, as basically threatening, to get consulting jobs).

Part of it is money lending, apparently you get like tax right offs, and have a easier time, borrowing money, if you put in DEI stuff.
Not sure what government funding projects or whatnot this is, but I've heard this mentioned before.

I think another part is just indoctrination.... alot of people are taught this stuff at universities, and come new off the market, thinking like this.
Plus I think, even if LGTBQA+ make up a small part of society,alot of people that get into graphic design and creative fields, are gay or lesbian, compaired to normal people. These people find jobs, in the games industry (someone has to make the graphics ect).  And they believe in this stuff, because alot of them are from that part of the community (or have friends from the field that are, so allies as they call themselves).

I think another part of it, is the people that get a kick out of owning the chuds.
Theres people just cant help come out on twitter saying stuff like "gamers are a mistake" "I want to punch these people" ect ect.
Alot of people, just view it as a job... and care nothing about how well the game sales do.  Their messaging in the game is more important than the profit the company makes.

So this is the why of it... Even if ultimately it might be counter productive to profit margins.

that sure is some olympic level mental gymnastics right there to push a 'the world isn't actually going in the direction it seems' conspiracy theory. 

Honestly, the 20 year old in me wants to rip into every false statement and absurd claim here but the 30+ year old in me is just so tired of the nonsense. I legitimately don't even know why I bother getting into these discussions if THIS is the sort of thing the anti-woke crowd is putting forth as their version of 'well reasoned' arguments. This is why, when I first posted in this thread I was kinda hesitant, because I see all the same bad faith arguments used time and time again, supported by conspiracy and twisted into something absurd because why not? 

As for the overall theme of the thread:

I wrap myself back to one of the stronger points I've made so many times in the past that mostly get ignored: The simple, wrong answer is a lot easier to spread and believe than the complicated, right answer. So many of these are points and opinions and arguments that make some sense if you only see them at a surface level. So many of the points brought up actually might have the slightest basis in reality or facts but completely disregards all the historical context or depth around the topic. Arguing with these points is always so frustrating because a simple false claim that lasts all of a single sentence requires the correct person to offer a whole paragraph or more just explaining why people think the way the wrong person does, why it's oversimplified, what factors led to the conclusion, and why the REAL answer is something else entirely. 

The complicated right answer is so hard to perpetuate because it often requires actual understanding of the topic at hand, so responding with ample context and detail is usually glazed over or ignored. I've seen it happen on this forum EVERY Time a topic like this comes up.

IT's the ben shapiro method of debate. Just sling a dozen loosely linked, false claims that start with something kinda rational and by the time the wrong person is done making their statement, the more correct person has to work back through 20 points just to explain how and why the incorrect statements are in fact wrong. And by that point they've already moved on so they act superior, like...

...fuck it. I'm just so exhausted seeing some people explain in great detail why a thing is the way it is only to have dumb statements and arguments that ignore vital context still sounding 'stronger' because simple is strong to a simple mind. I'm sick of the concept of education or empathy being demonized. I'm sick of simple, incorrect concepts resonating with such a wide audience. 

The solution is education. To explain things. to go into depth about these topics, to understand culture and societal fluctations. To really dig into why things the way they are but it's so clear so few actually care. IT's just easy to blame mexican/black (or any non-white) people or queer people or women than it is to understand the societal factors that led us to where we are. 

The idea that helping people or caring about others is bad or weak has been so ingrained in a certain subset of society and I just don't know if I have it in me to care anymore. These debates just show how heartless, cruel, and ignorant some people are, and how proud they are of those facts because they think it makes them strong. 

The idea that 'woke' is bad is just so blatantly ignorant yet there's an entire industry revolving around glamorizing selfishness and callousness. Like the only way YOU Can be strong and powerful and 'based' is to completely disrespect everyone who isn't you, to demonize everything you don't also agree with, and to poke fun at anyone who actually does have these values or isn't you. IT's such an obvious regression in culture to anyone who's paying attention yet so many are still proud to be ignorant while acting like they're correct. 

IT's so. Fucking. Exhausting.

Just once I'd like to see someone with actual patience slowly and empathetically teach people like you about compassion, kindness, and altruism and have it actually change your mind. Just once I'd like for the 'anti-woke' crowd to self-reflect and realize 'wait, these people aren't actually to blame and I've been duped' or 'well shit, now that I know the history it completely changes my perspective on this topic'. But it never happens. It never fucking happens. Because if logic and reason was what wasn't guiding you to where you are, it won't be what guides you away from it. 

And that goes for everyone in this thread. Not just you. it's just so frustrating seeing people genuinely proud of their resistance to empathy or education. I've literally seen someone say 'I'm impressed with your knowledge on the topic but it won't change my mind'. I should have tapped out and moved on then, since it was such a perfect and pure encapsulation on why this entire topic is dumb as hell, but here I am, nearly midnight when I'm hungry and grumpy just writing way too much shit nobody's going to read even  if it was well-thought-out in advance instead of just a meandering train of thought. 

I'll keep watching this thread to see if anyone can knock some sense into you but I kinda gave up years ago. at this point I just sort of hope the whole world burns if those are the values you and so many others like to valorize.