What is a "Woke" Game

[Runa216]

KLXVER said:

Even though I am impressed by your knowledge on the subject, it doesnt really change my mind. There can be many reasons why Alan Wake 2 didnt sell well. The fact is that some people were put off by the game when it was labeled "woke". Go look on several comment sections for Alan Wake 2 videos on Youtube or X or whatever and you will see several of them. Now you might just shrug them off and call them mindless sheep influenced by grifters, but these are gamers saying they wont buy the game because of it. 

I know several of you dont want to admit that woke is hurting video games, because that would maybe mean that you are wrong in your beliefs. I dont think that is the case, but I mean according to you, the anti-woke crowd is just loud and doesnt really affect game sales anyway. Yet you hate them so much. Yes anti-woke people hate woke stuff, but woke people hate anti-woke stuff. So neither one is better that the other. Its just that you have such low opinions of eachothers and you both think you are on the right side of history, that the hate for eachother becomes justified in your mind. "I mean so what if I call these people racist, bigots and sexist? They are on the evil side after all, right?"

Im not taking any high ground here either btw. I have a tendency to lose my cool as well when it comes to discussing stuff like this. Like several people on this site can attest to. I think "wokeness" is being pushed a bit too hard by certain companies. I dont think its as bad as many make it out to be, but there definitely is a problem that needs to be adressed imo. How do we do that? I dont know, but I guess we just need to find common ground. However difficult that may be. Because we cant seem to agree on much except for our love of video games.

The bolded part really is the crux of the whole issue, isn't it? That mixed with some other stuff you've said mostly about how you get to decide what is and is not forced inclusion show it's never really been about what's right or what's fair, it's about not giving these people ANYTHING. 

You don't want them to have representation because you do not approve, and it's likely because their existence is either uncomfortable for you or you don't feel they deserve respect. 

Sorry, but that puts you on the wrong side of history pretty handily. The people pushing back against progress never end up looking good in the history books. Today, being anti-woke will look the same as being against women's suffrage or the ending of jim crow laws. Yeah, change can be tough and can feel like it's taking away from the status quo but this idea that you're fighting back against oppression is just wrong on so many ethical and logical levels. And the fact you feel you're entitled to make judgements on who and what does get to be represented is pretty gross, honestly. 

You do not get to chose what is and isn't 'forced representation', or what is too woke. You get to chose what you are comfortable with. and if you chose to not be comfortable with the OPTIONS to chose your pronouns or OPTIONS to be a sex you weren't born with or being expected to play as a woman from time to time despite like 95% of all games that have static protagonists being male (And thus women had to play as men for most of the existence of this medium), then you're not fighting the good fight, you're just petulant and unwilling to learn and grow. And the fact that you started with 'I am impressed with your knowledge but it won't change my mind' proves that point. You're just stubborn, which is why inclusion NEEDS to be pushed. If people like you didn't exist, we wouldn't have to make such a big deal out of pronouns or diversity. In an ideal world we'd just BE diverse and that would be fine. but we don't live in an ideal world, we live in a world where a loud portion of the population are aggressively saying 'no' to all efforts to diversify and progress, and that means YOU are the ones that society has to fight back against. 

You are the bad guys here. 

You'd have to completely ignore pretty much all of human history to not see that.