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Machiavellian 8 hours ago
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bdbdbd said:
Machiavellian said:

The thing is you really do not know if a gender swap is a DEI policy since most people just throw the word DEI anytime the Gender or race is different.  Just like the term woke, its a word used first with no evidence but instead as a label to use when insecurity over the swap effects the person using it.  Just like with the show I mentioned, people did complain about the black actress and they did use DEI as their term.  For people who did not care they never thought to use or even consider DEI.  Most who watch the show have no clue about the movie or the book so they never cared.

As to a person being gay.  If that person is gay playing a straight white male and that person sexual orientation is known, would there be people using woke, or DEI or any other term of displeasure.

Actually I consider DEI like I consider woke.  Just another tool in an arsenal of tools to use when anything goes outside of the status quo.  Whether it race, gender, sexuality, age.  People who are fearful of these things look for a reason to resist them being out in the public.  They rather have it like the old days when gay people kept their mouths shut, when black people played pimps and hoes and woman looked for nothing more than having children and getting married.

I use Cruise and Washington because I assure you if one played a role and the other was swapped for it later, you would get the same people crying about DEI, woke or whatever not because they are good actors but because they are from different races.  As stated, you only have to go to a number of forums to see this very example no matter the skill set of the person.

I think I addressed this already a few pages back: there's so much DEI policies in place that it's impossible to know if someone was hired for the role because of his or her otherness or was he or she just the best available pick for the role. This is why people cry woke when a game or a movie is bad and don't when it's good, because when it's good, it's a sign that the actor was the right pick for the role. This is why I used the new SW movies as examples that actually all do the same thing, but one is good and the others are not.

The DEI policies are put in place so that everyone can point out that they're not discriminating against minorities or women - so yes, you're right that people are fearful of the backlash for not having them if someone complains about discrimination. 

If you swap Cruise for Washington or the other way around, people complain if the movie is bad and don't complain if it's good. Some people will always complain no matter what, but the "go woke, go broke" didn't really come out of thin air, i.e. few pundits from internet forums. 

Naw you did not address it, you limited it to race when the term cover so much scope.  The thing is since you do not know why even waste the energy assuming or for that matter caring.  Its the very nature that people do not know which frighten them and the only way it can frighten them is if they feel affected.  Instead of looking at the person and judging them on what they do, if you start out with assuming they got a role because of their gender or race you already set your mind into a negative frame of thought and thus all you see is negative.

DEI was put into place because there was clear evidence of prejudice and discrimination in the work place.  There are so many cases out there that it would take you years to go through them all.  The people that do not know about it are usually the people who are not effected.  They live their lives thinking everyone is treated equal and have equal chances to succeed but the reality is not.  While DEI isn't a great solution just recognizing that discrimination and prejudice does exist and trying to make an effort to not have it prevalent in your workforce is always a good step in the right direction. 

As stated, people will always find something to complain about.  If they can use race, gender or age they would.  It really does not matter who the person is because while you may believe Cruise and Washington are great actors, there is a slew of people who think different and its usually them who jump on the net to voice their displeasure the most.  Negativity drives way more traffic than positive feedback.  You only have to look towards Twitter and Facebook not to mention a few other social media sites to see which topic get the most people commenting.  A negative story will go viral way faster than any positive one.