Pemalite said:
bdbdbd said:
Well, you kind of are proving my point further that woke is based on US political rhetoric, and that's largely why it doesn't make sense at all: there's some part in the world where equality isn't happening, so women need more representation here. |
The word "woke" has existed for almost 100~ years in American politics... Mostly to refer to awareness of social and polical issues impacting minorities.
Conservatives grabbed the word and ran with it to try and use it as a weapon to shut down any logical or constructive discussion.
Aka. Herd/Sheep mentality.
bdbdbd said:
Most people seem to need something to believe in and to rely on morals, if it's not religion, it's usually something equally stupid. |
Religion is not a requirement to have morals.
I am a hardline Atheist. - I don't want religion in my life. Period.
However... As someone who has built a career saving lives, I would like to think I have very strong morals based around empathy for others... Religion wasn't required.
bdbdbd said:
Well, many people seem to care. That's why so many seem to be so vocal. Brokeback Mountain was made before the modern demand for "representation"; if straight people are playing gays, then gays don't get representation. Actually both sides seem to whine about incorrect representation. |
Brokeback Mountain was made during the modern demand for "representation" it was during a period where strong conservative voices were shutting down LGBT proponents.
Remember the movie came out in 2005, almost 20 years ago.
Keep in mind... When that movie came out, it was legal to discriminate against someone who was LGBTQI in the USA in the majority of the nation, same sex marriage didn't get legalized until a decade later, same-sex couples weren't allowed to adopt children until a decade later.
Heck, there was discrimination even as recently as 2020... The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2020 that sexual orientation and gender identity are included under "sex" as a prohibited ground of employment discrimination in the Civil Rights act.
That's right, in 2019 you could be "fired" for being "gay" with an employer.
In 2011, 6 years after that film... You weren't allowed to be openly LGBTQI while serving in the US military.
Then you have the "Gay Panic Defense" in the USA which is used to reduce the "time" you need to pay for your "crime". I.E. Murder.
Hence the need for strong vocalization to support the LGBTQI community... Hence why the film Brokeback Mountain was a pivotal point in Cinema and LGBTQI culture in general.
But it's also "woke" and if conservatives had it their way (Which Trump has suggested as much) all the above would be rolled back.
So yes, representation is important and will always be important, but it needs to be done in a tasteful and appropriate manner.
I would argue if straight people are playing gay people in a film, gay people are definitely getting representation, which the film Brokeback Mountain empirically demonstrated.
And I am okay with that if it's done tastefully. |
I believe it was the "woke" people who started using it to refer to intersectionalism in 2000's and then the conservatives started using it aswell as a term for social justice. Now it seems that the "woke" is trying to back out of the term because the conservatives were right about it.
Brokeback mountain was made 20 years ago, things have changed since then, aa proven by the criticism towards Squid Game. I do agree that the impact of the film was likely positive and so will be the impact of Squid Game.
Even if you do have strong moral ground coming from inside, most people need their moral compass to come from the outside. If a religion is removed, something else will fill the moral void left by religion. What fills it, is the one that want to fill it the most aggressively - likely another religion, or if not religion, it would be an ideology. It's only about choosing the least bad option. If you want atheism to fill the moral void, atheism needs to ve aggressive, like communism is for example.
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