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killer7 on 02 December 2024
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bdbdbd said:
killer7 said:

But you also have to add in the fact that demo units shipped to stores where also included in this "160,636,000". And demo stations are NOT FOR SALE. Thats fact. Demo stations get sent back to the manufactor. Nintendo does that as well as Microsoft. As someone working in a shopping center i can confirm this. What counts is SHIPPED units. Because they are for retail sale and can be sold through to costumers. In Sony's case with the PS2 these where 155,1 million units! If they add demo stations (please note there where bigger markets even ordering 2 or more of them), the PS2 Slim was added as well so it makes the "unsellable PS2s" number even bigger. So 160 million as a shippment number is far from reality. No matter what Laydon/ Ryan or some Sony guys say.

Demo units, unsold systems and so on. They need to write them off. They're shipped somewhere, maybe garbage, but that¨s not important. I believe the other manufacturers count the demo units as shipped systems, but maybe write them off earlier than a decade after the manufacturing of the system has ended. The point is, that I don't think Sony has done anything wrong. It's just that  the sold/shipped/manufactured is calculated this way in their accounting.

Thank you! Thats what i was refering too! If they write it off, the number has to be reduced! Also a demo station is a produced unit that gets shipped. You have to admit, that something is really fishy here. And they did that "announcement" (i call it "lienouncement") when the Switch surpassed 141,3 million and later upped the number again when they announced 146 million. Whats next? 165 million? 

But the point is that i am by far not the only one doubting these SHIPPMENT numbers. Its not about manufacturing. The PSP had far more than a million demostations so it did not pass the GBA. They would have made an announcement for sure if it did! 

My point is that i agree with you in one thing: Demo units are counting as "shipped". But even if you tried to use such a demo unit as a private user, you could not play any games with it expect the installed stuff. And its send back to the manufactor! Otherwise all consoles would have higher shipments, also the DS. And as the DS had 4 versions you could add quite a few million to its LTD  because every model had a demo unit and as i mentioned above, many stores order multiple of them. And they are not immortal if you know what i mean. Add in the fact that broken units get replaced. And that means even more "shipped" consoles. Have you got any idea how many of these units break because of costumers who couldn't care less? As someone who works in such stores i can also confirm this. How many broken demo units we see in stores? Be honest! These are millions over a timeframe of 10+ years, the timeframe also the PS2 was on the market. And it was not the unhurtable expectation, believe me. No matter how hard i get insulted, thats the truth and if we subtrack these units we have far less than 160 million units shipped.

For Nintendo systems its different: Nintendo reports "shipped to retailer". Not produced! If they did it would be a different story and we would probably  be looking at even less than 10 million WiiU's. Maybe it would be at only around 7 millon units shipped to retailers but they report "shipped". So we cannot argue about that.

You understand what i mean? A rented console you need to give back as a retailer but counts as shipped is no real shipped let alone sold through console.

Last edited by killer7 - on 02 December 2024