JuliusHackebeil said:
My life is effected by muslim terror. I lived some years in Vienna. And I was in the city when those muslim lunatics shot at civilians at Schwedenplatz, inner city and other locations. And Hamas is a muslim terror organisation. Austria and Europe at large have a huge problem with muslim extremism. I am very glad I don't have to deal with muslim terror in the way Israel soldiers have to. But I am also very glad they do deal with it. Otherwise I would have to, sooner than later. Or worse, my kids will. And I cannot agree with your sentiment of letting terror groups get away with atrocities and to allow them to get ever stronger. I mentioned my homecountry once, so let me mention it again: By the same logic you seem to use, it was unjust to bomb Nazi Germany to hell (much worse than anything Israel is doing to Gaza) because you would have had to expect something way worse as retaliation from the next generation. And sure, Hamas is much weaker than Nazi Germani was. But so is Israel. And the ideology behind Hamas is every bit as deplorable as the Nazi one. Quite similar in regards to the Jews in fact. I don't claim that this is easy. My grandfatner fought for the Nazis. They would have killed him otherwise. No empty threats - they killed his deserting brother. First you need to win against these sorry people. Hamas and the Palestinians suffering under them. That has to be step one. Then you need to control them to a certain extent and for a certain time. You surely need to control their education. Don't know what should come next. I had some musings in my comment above. But Hamas needs to be destroyed. Deceisively. Israel even tried to leave them alone and Oct. 7th is what they got. |
If you know me, you’d know I detest all religions, including Islam, because I see them as a major threat to secularism and liberalism.
But I don’t forget how the west has repeatedly engaged in illegal and offensive wars against countries with Islamic majorities all while ignoring Israel atrocities to go on and on and on.
We’ve not helped ourselves and we’re all too happy to repeat the same mistakes. Just days ago I saw an old clip for Trump saying things like “we should stay there and take the oil”, that of Syria, and it made me think; I can’t imagine what all these displaced Syrians think or feel when they see it. I know I was personally enraged. It’s not necessarily a right wing problem either, what Biden is letting happen right now is a disgrace.
Do you think any of this makes safer or paint us further as the enemy? Rightfully so? It seems that when we’re taking a break from messing up their countries, we let Israel do the job.
Wrongly or rightly, Muslims across the globe feel very strongly about Palestine, anything but a 2 state solution to keep both sides relatively happy is the only rational way forward. Biden and Netanyahu are setting us on a dangerous path with terrible consequences that will last for lifetimes, consequences that include the kind of terrorism you're afraid of across the west.
I also doubt Netanyahu will be finished with the West Bank, religious fanaticism knows no bounds, their religious claims extend to parts of Jordan and Egypt, and who’s to say he will not stir up troubles with his new neighbours after the annexation of the West Bank? this isn't a person you let loose, let alone arm and help.
