Israel-Hamas war, Gaza genocide

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JuliusHackebeil said:

RolStoppable said:

Just war? Frees us all from Hamas? Your life isn't affected by Hamas.

Even if Israel eliminates all of Hamas, the way Israel has been operating makes it only a matter of time until the successor to Hamas is created. Plus there's a good chance that the next group of terrorists will make Hamas look like child's play.

My life is effected by muslim terror. I lived some years in Vienna. And I was in the city when those muslim lunatics shot at civilians at Schwedenplatz, inner city and other locations. And Hamas is a muslim terror organisation. Austria and Europe at large have a huge problem with muslim extremism. I am very glad I don't have to deal with muslim terror in the way Israel soldiers have to. But I am also very glad they do deal with it. Otherwise I would have to, sooner than later. Or worse, my kids will.

And I cannot agree with your sentiment of letting terror groups get away with atrocities and to allow them to get ever stronger. I mentioned my homecountry once, so let me mention it again: By the same logic you seem to use, it was unjust to bomb Nazi Germany to hell (much worse than anything Israel is doing to Gaza) because you would have had to expect something way worse as retaliation from the next generation. And sure, Hamas is much weaker than Nazi Germani was. But so is Israel. And the ideology behind Hamas is every bit as deplorable as the Nazi one. Quite similar in regards to the Jews in fact.

I don't claim that this is easy. My grandfatner fought for the Nazis. They would have killed him otherwise. No empty threats - they killed his deserting brother. First you need to win against these sorry people. Hamas and the Palestinians suffering under them. That has to be step one. Then you need to control them to a certain extent and for a certain time. You surely need to control their education. Don't know what should come next. I had some musings in my comment above. But Hamas needs to be destroyed. Deceisively. Israel even tried to leave them alone and Oct. 7th is what they got.

Hamas hasn't claimed responsibility for a single terrorist attack in Europe. They seem to be operating only at a very local level.

My post was very short and it's still up there, so it's a mystery how you derive from it that I am in favor of letting terrorists get away with atrocities. Your analogy to World War II doesn't work, because of the four major allies (UK, USA, France and Soviet Union), three of them had the goal to allow the people of Germany and Austria live in self-determination in a rebuilt democracy. Israel has no such goal with Palestinians; they aren't even as "gentle" as the Soviet Union who were aiming for pseudo-democracies that ultimately they'd have great influence over. Israel's goal is to seize and oppress, they have no other plan to speak of. That's because Israel's ideology closely resembles the ideology of the Nazis: In their worldview there are subhumans that need to be either displaced or killed, hence why what's happening in the West Bank makes sense.

This ideology is why this isn't a just war in Gaza. There are way too many people who believe that Israel and Gaza have clearly defined roles of good vs. evil like it is the case in the Ukraine conflict, but in the Middle East it's evil vs. evil. Two factions that are heavily driven by religious beliefs and indoctrination.