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the-pi-guy said:

It's so frustrating how hard it is to have a nuanced conversation about things. 

A lot of things are complicated, and a lot of things are fairly probabilistic. 

On the probabilistic part, even if an answer is ridiculously likely that's not the same thing as having the answer.

For example, it was never a 100% guarantee that the betting firms were going to be correct. If it points to a 70% chance, and you're 100% sure that it's going to turn out that way, I'm going to argue you to pull back and be 70% sure. If you're 100% sure that it was going to go the other way, I would tell you not to get your hopes up so high and pull you back to where the 70% is pointing to.

It's frustrating, people seem to like taking sides on things (on both sides). To be clear, I'm not putting this on conservatives. This is something that most people seem to struggle with. Either people don't like not knowing an answer, or they just like taking sides for the sake of taking sides. 

And stuff is complicated. It's really easy to say "Harris should have done x, y, z". People voted the way they did for all kinds of different reasons. I don't know if anything would have particularly changed if they had found someone else to run. I'm sure there are tons of different combinations of things that would have made a difference. I don't know what that difference would have actually amounted to, or what combinations would be the most effective. 

Everyone is going to make different suggestions, and a lot of those things probably would have made a change, but no one "knows" what would have worked. Unless someone has an interdimensional portal where we can peek at an identical universe where those exact things happened, or they've perfectly figured out how to simulate politics with AI, it's all going to be educated guesses. 

Personally I think it was always going to be an uphill battle, especially because people don't feel good about the economy. 

I believe that no one knows what the next 4 years are going to look like. It's largely based on educated guesses.

It could be that a lot of these terrible things that could happen, never do, because enough reasonable people push back against them.

It could also be that it ends up being worse than anyone expects. 

Or the usual complicated reality, is that it ends up being really good for some people, and really bad for others, "but that's okay because I'm not them".

And I'm not even completely sure which result terrifies me more.

Even if the next 4 years don't turn out bad, it's terrifying that a lot of guard rails are getting pulled. As in I'm terrified of a Trump 2 that follows Trump 1.

This is a big issue I've had with a lot of left wing rhetoric. Something doesn't need to be the last straw to be bad; and there's always the chance that if it doesn't end up being that bad, then people will turn on you because they think you lied to them. 

A lot of the struggles we're seeing today are the result of decades of policy changes, and propaganda. 

Bro one of my friends says Trump has the Diddy party support and I sent him tiktoks of Trump himself saying hes friends with Diddy, and theres photos of him at a Diddys parties. It's like we live in two different worlds so much brainwashing.