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Vinther1991 said:

Devastating, but not entirely surprising. First and foremost the people to blame and point fingers at are those voting for Trump, they are the ones who decided to support the insanity.
There are a number of things democrats could have handled better. I think their campaign has for the most part been good, and all data I have seen suggests Kamala was as strong a candidate as anybody. She united the party in record time, came off as likeable and caring. Sure she might have had some wacky views in 2019-2020, but did anyone really believe they weren't just pandering? What the campaign failed to do was deliver something for male, especially young male voters. This has been a headache for the left in the west for a decade now, that the feminists and the so-called 'woke' have not managed to find a strong motivating message for white male voters.

Besides that, I think the campaign was strong. Hence Harris' major problem lies in the governing of Biden. The handling of the border has frankly been a disaster, they started the term appealing to the far left on this issue, then way too late they realized this is a major issue for the average American. The fentanyl crisis and Afghanistan withdrawals were problematic too, but I doubt it made a big difference in the election outcome. The economy probably did make a difference, even though Biden didn't really do any significant mistakes here, the inflation would have gone up no matter what he had done.

Anyway all this combined could definitely explain a Harris loss, but to a standard republican, not a radicalized MAGA lunatic. Had she and Biden done everything right, Trump would still be looking at 45 % of the votes.

So there is the main problem - the MAGA movement is fundamentally a dishonest political movement, not motivated by any real political ideas or visions, but feelings of anger, fear, paranoia and pride. It is a movement that is not actually explaining honestly what their issues are and what they believe would solve them (if they even agree on any of that), hence it is absolutely impossible to address with rational political solutions.
There are no real solutions to that, which are possible within the American system.

Europe is on a similar trajectory, but at least here the path is not set in stone. Politicians need to focus on solving some of the driving factors: increase manufacturing jobs, shut down the option for spontaneous assylum to avoid huge and fast demographic changes, facilitate the distribution of wealth, heavily regulate social media platforms, or even better- abolish them completely. Same with the use of artificial intelligence. Europe should also invest in military to defend itself, and unfortunately this includes getting substantially more nuclear weapons. This all seems very dark, but unfortunately it is not about making the World a better place anymore, but saving Europe from fascism, which is all we can hope for now.

Added a word to make it more accurate, but otherwise spot on.

Torillian said:
Chrkeller said:

Let us review what we learned:

1) Liberals have terrible strategy and implementation

2) Liberals do not connect with middle America

3) Running an administration, or someone tied to it, with a 60% disapproval rating was stupid

4) Special interest doesn't resonant, big-ticket items such as economy and border matter

5) Polls do in fact underestimate Trump

6) Betting Firms are trustworthy and know their stuff

I think that covers it. Anybody who wants to know who said what, can re-read the thread. Otherwise, enjoy the rest of your day.

Edit

Oh and I forgot the add number 7:

7) This wasn't a tight election, Trump won with ease (e.g. plenty of room to spare)

8) Republicans are okay with a xenophobic felon as long as he promises them unattainable economic strategies and that he'll deport all the illegals. 

9) Owning the libs is more important to Republicans than all else. We learned that from all of the anti-maskers and anti-vaxers.

LegitHyperbole said:
Torillian said:

From those saying that the issue is that Democrats are not connecting with Middle America, what I want to know is how could they? Because as far as I can tell the way Trump did it is to lie and that's not really what I want Democrats to do. Should they also tell Middle America that they'll solve all of their economic woes by funding the government through tariffs while ignoring the inflationary aspect of tariffs? Or that the issue of immigration is as simple as building a wall and ignoring the complications of the asylum seeking process.

I understand that politics is about winning in order to enact the changes you want to see, but I'm not sure that I can agree with blatantly lying and ignoring reality in order to get there. So far the only suggestion I've seen is to tell people that are complaining that eggs cost more than they did 4 years ago that the GDP is up and inflation is where the FED targets it. It just doesn't seem like a tenable solution to me.

Kamala lied and I'd say in a more scummy way than trump. She ran ads in different states with different promises that contradicted the ads ran in other states. Ones where she'd say she funding for Isreal and then in a Jewish population say she believes Isreal has the right to defend itself and support would be given. 

Trump doesn't know what he's saying half the time, I don't think he intentionally lies, he's just really dumb and self centered. Kamala lies felt more scummy cause she's supposed to be the mature one, Trump is the idiot everyone can laugh at, somehow he gets away with lying. Like he said at one point, he could shoot someone in times square and he'd still have support the next day.  

So yep, Kamala had to be flawless, while Trump gets to be lawless.