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Leynos said:
LegitHyperbole said:

The Vampire survivors clones or Bullet heavens/reverse bullet hel genre is popping off now. I particularly like Brotato, NERD Survivors and Army of Ruin but I hear Halls of torment, deep rock galactic survivors and 20 minutes til dawn are also up there, some say Halls of Torment is the best but it all started with Vampire survivors I do believe.

Go play CAVE games. Like a DoDonpachi. Anything from CAVE really. Some of their games took years to beat. One of the DoDonpachi games took 12 years before someone finally cleared it. Mushihimesama Futari is madness with bullets. Tho the first Bullet Hell game is credited to the fantastic Batsugun in 1993 from Toaplan who were one of the best of their era.  Truxton. Hellfire. Zero Wing. (All your base are belong to us) and a lot more. When they closed many of the staff formed CAVE and carved out a reputation as being one of the best to ever do it. They ran with the idea of bullet hell. Eventually making possibly the best game in the bullet hell genre. DoDonPachi Blissful Death Re:Incarnation

I'm not sure I'll be able to go back to bullet hell games after bullet heaven, I tried Nex Machina again recently and it all felt so wrong, lol.