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[firebush03]

Machiavellian said:

firebush03 said:

The term "liberal" has two meanings in American politics. On the one hand, liberal may be used in reference to those who aren't looking for radical change but still seek progress (Conservatives : Reactionaries, Liberals : Radicals). On the other hand, however, liberal can be used in reference to ppl who support neoliberalism, which would include both conversatives and liberals. These would be the ppl who don't desire extreme change, but rather favor incremental measures.

In this context, when I say the MSM is "filled with liberals", both definitions fit though my intention was mostly using the former definition. For quick reference of why I say this, please see this list giving the top 50 most viewed news websites. You will notice that there exist very few conservative outlets, several non-partisan, but majority liberal (or democratic). But how am I classifying whether an outlet is conservative, non-partisan, or liberal? In many instances, the outlet will publically endorse a candidate. I believe WSJ has publically announced their support for Kamala Harris, for instance. In instances where this doesn't occur, you can very easily use common-sense analytical skills to determine whether it's conservative, non-partisan, or liberal.

The reason there isn't many conservative outlets because most Americans are not conservative.  Instead most Americans are moderates which means they sit right in the middle.  That would also include Dems and Republicans.  Basically what usually happens is that in order to keep people divided you need division.  So painting every Republican as conservative and every Dem as liberal satisfy this agenda but when you ask each group what they think on multiple issues but do not define an issue as being conservative or liberal, you find they pretty much fall in to the same category.  Some did a study like this not to long ago which was funny because they mark certain points as being conservative or liberal and people would decide that they were for or against based on the label and not the actual subject.

This is why I ask what do YOU consider a liberal or conservative because usually by todays marking its just a way to paint extremes for one side or another.  Meaning that most Republicans are really not conservatives, they are moderates but they would paint every Dem as liberal.  In this way they can feel good that there is a big difference between their belief and the so called other side.  Their viewpoint of what is liberal would be the far left which doesn't make up a huge part of Dem base as they would like to believe.  Same with Dems, they would love to paint all republicans as the far right but in reality neither party members are composed largely of either extremes. For the people in power, well they need that separation because then people would not vote along party lines as much but instead look more closely at each candidate.

(i got work I need to do, so I'll just say up-front that I skimmed through your message.) "The reason there isn't many conservative outlets because most Americans are not conservative." There do exist many right-leaning outlets, though they tend not to be mainstream. DailyWire, TruthSocial, NewsMax are to name a few. Republicanism of today seems to appeal to the outskirts, whereas Democrats are shooting for moderates; hence, Republican outlets will be on the outskirts, whereas Democrats will occupy the mainstream. That being said, my initial comment was addressing RolStoppable's claim regarding MSM going "too hard" on Holocaust Harris: It's a ridulous claim in my eyes for the reasons I've listed here and prior.

"This is why I ask what do YOU consider a liberal or conservative because usually by todays marking its just a way to paint extremes for one side or another." brother you are speaking with somebody which the mainstreams would love to market as "extreme" lol. Both dems and repubs stand behind the genocide in Gaza, so I don't support either side. Dems fail to deliver on any of their promises (or just don't make promises in the first place) whereas repubs actively go against what I'm looking for. Both parties are awful, and I refuse to cheerlead for either side. I will consider voting Stein (I am in swing-state GA btw) as a means to share support for those looking to protest Holocaust Harris and Depraved Don, though I may vote for Harris on count of stopping a potential nationwide abortion ban.