you say you agree with me idk I feel like you're just arguing b/c you don't wanna be caught agreeing with the punching bag of these forums lol. |
I agree with you on my gut feelings.
I mostly argued with you, because I think you're being overly pessimistic.
If Rol was doomposting, I'd spend more energy arguing with him instead.
Also, sorry to disappoint you, but you're not in the top 10 for punching bags here.
| firebush03 said: "I think that you're right in that aggressively pushing for a ceasefire is more beneficial election-wise. But your data doesn't definitively point to that. Being a popular position isn't the same as being an election changer." Being a popular decision can certainly be an election changer in a race as close as this one, especially when (i) you would appease to the >100k uncontested voters and (ii)...the decision is popular lol. The uncontested vote demonstrates evidence of such a call flipping a key swing state, no? I don't buy into your suggeston that the ceasefire *could* do more harm than good electorally under the evidence I have provided: Moderate voters would overwhelmingly swing to Harris, Dems will follows like sheep under whatever their party leadership chooses to do (Trump is an extestential threat in their eyes after all lol). The only ppl who would be upset are the repubs. Again, polls demonstrate this such as the one I have already provided. |
I'm not sure that you're understanding what I'm meaning.
It's not enough for a position to be popular, it has to be an outright deal breaker for enough people.
Anti-abortion laws are unpopular. Only like 35% of people are in favor of them, and yet they're frequently winning in a lot of states, because for those people it's an absolutely critical issue.
Gun control laws are popular. Yet, it's an absolute deal breaker for like 20% of the population, and that's enough to push things over the edge. It's a relatively tiny chunk of Americans, but they vote hard, and they spend money lobbying on the issue. The NRA makes up a tiny chunk of politics, yet we frequently see gun controls laws overturned because that tiny chunk shows up.
This is a very common issue with American politics. It's not enough for a position to be popular, it has to be important enough to affect how they're spending money and it has to affect how they're voting.
Find a poll that shows what percentage of people is this a deal breaking issue for. That's what you need to show. What percentage of people will 100% not show up because of that issue. Unfortunately that's a very different question than whether that issue is popular or not.
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