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pokoko 3 days ago
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the-pi-guy said:
pokoko said:

Last part first--no, you're just a liar.  I thought so before when you claimed that you only messed up because you were "tired" or something along those lines but it's clear after you keep doing the same thing over and over that you're lying through your teeth.  You keep quoting people then trying to change the conversation to something else.  What I said had absolutely nothing to do with Assassin's Creed but that's where you wanted to take this.  

I apologized for being exhausted for writing a post where I gave an inappropriate comparison. 

A "whataboutism" has nothing to do with "changing the subject".  Is that seriously what you think that word means? 

A whataboutism is where you basically respond to an accusation, with another accusation. 

For example: 

A: "Donald Trump raped someone"
B: "Yeah what about the time Joe Biden sniffed someone's hair".

It's a whataboutism, because you're completely deflecting criticism instead of addressing anything. Person A has done nothing to address the point about Donald Trump being a rapist. If person A had thrown out some reasonable doubt about Trump being rapist, before bringing up Joe Biden, that wouldn't be a whataboutism anymore. 

Do you feel that I'm not addressing your points? I'm certain you disagree with a lot of my points, am I deflecting away from your points?

pokoko said:

What I said had absolutely nothing to do with Assassin's Creed but that's where you wanted to take this. 

I was not talking about Assassin's Creed. You're literally the one that brought up Assassin's Creed.
I actually had Battlefield in mind, when I brought up historical accuracy. 

pokoko said:

You are intensely dishonest.  You don't try to discuss a topic, you try to win imaginary points.

If bringing up other topics is dishonest in itself, then most people here are being dishonest and trying to win imaginary points. 

That's what the whole conversation about ugly western video game characters is. We've gone to a different topic much broader than the one that we started from (talking about Concord failing).

pokoko said:


As for the first part, maybe you're right and this isn't a particular path developers are taking.  Only time can answer that question. However, there is no technical reason that I can see that characters in western videogames should get less attractive--and yes, we're talking about videogames, OF COURSE we're talking about technology--unless it's by design.

Well yes, but it is not driven by technology. 

These are artistic choices being made, and there are tons of valid reasons for it. 

pokoko said:

As for Stellar Blade, people were literally complaining about the model being too pretty, that it resulted in unrealistic beauty standards.  You can't pretend that didn't happen or that it has nothing to do with this topic.

I haven't seen this. On ResetEra and Reddit, I mostly saw people talk about her being overly sexualized.

Is there a particular website/thread where you saw someone talk about "unrealistic beauty standards"? 

And is it a common issue you've seen expressed? People are going to say anything about anything, that doesn't mean those are widespread enough to be worth talking about. I'm sure I could find someone somewhere complaining that Eve is too ugly. That doesn't mean it's a common opinion.

Oh, Battlefield!  Yeah, Battlefield, THAT'S what we were talking about, wasn't it?  Yeah ... no.  We weren't talking about Battlefield at all.  Were we?  Do you remember us talking about Battlefield?  No, seriously, were we talking about Battlefield AT ALL?  Nah.  Then why did you bring it up?  What did it have to do with the conversation?  Go ahead, I want to hear about it. 

And, yes, I've seen people talk about unrealistic beauty standards for Stellar Blade, though, amusingly enough, those comments stopped after IGN France had to apologize and it was revealed that Eve was based on a real model.

"PLEASE don't support Stellar Blade.

The game is an insult to women and feminism, setting unrealistic beauty standards that we as a society should not encourage."

"The game's creator adds to this by expressing his desire to see characters much more beautiful than himself in video games, reinforcing sexist stereotypes and unrealistic beauty standards."

And there you are being dishonest again.  I talk about how you QUOTE people then change the subject but of course you leave out where I said "quote" and pretend that I'm talking about people bringing up different topics in the thread at large.  Bloody hell.  Stop it.