Concord is Sony's biggest failure in gaming history.

[pokoko]

the-pi-guy said:

pokoko said:

I'm kind of confused about your message in the first part.

You're saying that the recent trend of making female characters less attractive doesn't actually exist?  Are you saying that it's an illusion?  You're maybe implying that the technology isn't as good now as it used to be so it's a lot harder to make a character that looks good?  Is that what happened to Concord?  Perhaps the event where people were upset because the main character of Stellar Blade didn't look "realistic" despite being based on an actual model didn't happen at all?

You clearly are confused, because nothing in here has anything to do with what I've said.

1.) I didn't say anything about trends or technology.

2.) I didn't say anything about any character looking unrealistic.

People aren't generally taking issue with Eve's character model in Stellar Blade. They're taking more issue with how she is dressed and how the game trailers treat her. 

The people you're complaining about don't take issue with this:

They take issue with this: 

pokoko said:

IThe fact that there ARE many characters popping up who seem to be made intentionally unattractive means that there ARE people who are opposed to attractive characters, or at least think that's what other people want.  I don't know how you can possibly get around that fact when these examples exist.

Examples of X existing is not proof of reason Y being fact.

Examples of X existing is also not proof of someone being opposed to Y. 

The existence of one thing is not opposition to another. 

The existence of ugly characters isn't proof of someone disliking attractive characters.

There's tons of room for different things. 

Maybe you want your city game to feel more grounded, so instead you have a more diverse range of characters - some skinny, some bigger, black and white. Maybe you intentionally make some characters look like models and some of  intentionally are made ugly. 

Maybe you want to tell the story of an ugly duckling. 

Maybe you intentionally want your character to feel more average. 

Maybe you just want more variety, maybe you think most characters are too attractive, and you want to stick out and make your character look a bit more average.

Again, there's room for all kinds of experiences. There is room for characters that are more sexually confident (Stellar Blade, Nier Automata), there's room for ugly characters, there is room for everything in between. There's room for goofy characters like Astro Bot. 

pokoko said:

As far as historical inaccuracies in completely fictional universes go, I'm pretty sure people are okay with that.  After all, I've never heard developers claim anything about "ensuring an immersive and respectful representation" of a post-apocalyptic world or a fantasy kingdom with magic in it.

A lot of those games already do that. Those devs don't have to explain "this is why we made those choices".

pokoko said:

I get that you were trying to score some points there with another reference to something I didn't mention and haven't talked about but, honestly, that was kind of a silly attempt, especially since I don't have a problem with intentional deviations for the sake of the story.  You and whataboutisms are like Rick & Morty at this point.

I was just throwing out a rhetorical question, not aimed at you. I thought it was funny to think about, there seems to be a lot of overlap of people who take issue with unrealistic historical characters (even when they're actually wrong about those things), but never seems to have any issue with very obviously unrealistic dressed woman characters who happen to be attractive.

Also you still pretty clearly have no clue what a "whataboutism" is. 

Last part first--no, you're just a liar.  I thought so before when you claimed that you only messed up because you were "tired" or something along those lines but it's clear after you keep doing the same thing over and over that you're lying through your teeth.  You keep quoting people then trying to change the conversation to something else.  What I said had absolutely nothing to do with Assassin's Creed but that's where you wanted to take this.  You are intensely dishonest.  You don't try to discuss a topic, you try to win imaginary points.  

"B-but ... historical inaccuracies!  The other side was talking about historical inaccuracies!  That has nothing to do with this but I'm going to use it shift the attention to where I want it to go!"

Yeah, right.  People know about your bullshit.

As for the first part, maybe you're right and this isn't a particular path developers are taking.  Only time can answer that question. However, there is no technical reason that I can see that characters in western videogames should get less attractive--and yes, we're talking about videogames, OF COURSE we're talking about technology--unless it's by design.

As for Stellar Blade, people were literally complaining about the model being too pretty, that it resulted in unrealistic beauty standards.  You can't pretend that didn't happen or that it has nothing to do with this topic.