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Ryuu96 1 day ago
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the-pi-guy said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Well, just checking. Usually that's a sign that people aren't holding up very well, I know cause I've been there 🙃

And yeah, that's what everyone keeps telling me, keep fighting, no surrender, keep killing each other over the ego of some old man. 

I do understand. Maybe there are better answers, but I don't think Ukraine conceding is anywhere near the right one.

If a bully is beating up someone's kid, the advice isn't to give them some of your lunch money. The bully has to lose, or else he's just going to continue to be a bully. 

And this isn't a hypothetical. 

This isn't the first country that Russia has invaded. It isn't the first time they've fought with Ukraine.

Russian occupation of Crimea

Marking 16 Years Since Russia’s Invasion of Georgia

Modern history already shows that Ukraine conceding would not help. 

+ Chechnya War 1 and 2.

If Russia does manage to link up to Transnistria then Moldova will be next and Russia would have little issue in beating down Moldova.

I'm sick of people in other countries acting like Eastern European countries have no agency for themselves, I'm sick of people telling them what to do, if Ukraine decides one day it wants to surrender then I wouldn't agree with the decision, I would think it would be a terrible idea and very bad precedence but I would support it, why? Because Ukraine is an independent country that makes its own decisions.

Ukraine was however, fighting Russia long before the West pulled their finger out their asses and decided to support Ukraine; Since as long as 2014, Ukraine has been fighting Russia long before Western Support actually stepped up, in the early days of the invasion, Ukraine didn't have Bradley's, Abrams, F16s, etc. They mostly had old and outdated Soviet Union era equipment and did they surrender without the West's support? No. They fought for their lives. Kyiv was almost encircled and Ukraine still fought. Without heavy Western Support.

It took months until the first Western MBTs were sent, it took even longer for Long-Range Missiles to be sent and even longer for Modern Jets to be sent. Ukraine still fought while they desperately pleaded for the West for their support. Ukraine could have surrendered long ago, when Western Support was terrible. They still fought.

So do I think cutting off Western Aid would even stop Ukraine from fighting anyway? No I don't. Because it's their country, it's their people that are being killed and slaughtered, it's their people being bombed and raped, they've lost too much, how do you tell a family of a dead soldier that he died for nothing? Ukraine already threw out one of their Presidents because he was seen as being too much of a Russian puppet.

Ukraine is a heavily militarised country now, I dread to think what would happen to Zelenskyy if he surrendered to Russia and rewarded them with Ukrainian land. People are naïve in thinking everything is just going to go back to normal. Ukrainians will despite Russia for the next century and I doubt they'll be happy with anything less than their land returned.

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