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Phenomajp13 on 24 September 2024
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XtremeBG said:
Phenomajp13 said:

This is now the second post of yours clearly giving up on the idea of Switch failing to pass the PS2. Your first post was in a Japan sales thread or maybe the PS5 Pro announcement thread where you explain the prices are too high to stop/compete enough to stop Switch. Good to see more and more people come to their senses; however, I'm not going to let this cherrypicked data go by so easy.

You cherrypicked the 7th gen and maybe only time in history the handheld market was bigger and still resorted to cheating the home console market by leaving out the Wii. DS and PSP's 240M doesn't beat the Wii, PS3, and 360' 270M, but you ofcourse left out Wii because it goes against the narrative you are trying to paint. Now ofcourse I know you have your excuses for Wii but ofcourse my reply to that is the DS should be left out too for the same excuses. Brain Training and Nintendogs did for DS the same that Wii Sports and Wii Fit did for Wii. That's why 3DS sold half of DS. Wii to WiiU was a larger collapse because it had far less support than 3DS, which had more than Mario trying to singlehandedly carry it. Nintendo's top 5 selling ip are Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Animal Crossing, and Smash Bros. 3DS had 4 of 5 of the mainline games, only missing Zelda. WiiU had 2 of 5, only having Mario mainline titles and Smash Bros. WiiU got it's first mainline none remake Zelda with BoTW and I'm sure you are smart enough to know WiiU was already dead by that point. 

In conclusion, the handheld market is certainly smaller than the home console market, it's the reason MS and Sony prefer it. It's obviously larger and has far more support. Switch's success isnt because of it's portability or else Vita wouldn't have completely collapsed. Switch's success is due to Nintendo's first party support being fully behind a single platform. You also don't get to speak for the entire Switch market, people use it how they see fit, that's convience. Of course being used as a handheld more, that's more convenient than docked. 

I am not giving an idea for the Switch failing to pass the PS2. I am giving my opinion, which on the whole topic, which is now with the delay of the Switch 2 launch and the higher than expected prices for the new models of the XBOX and PS alongside missing a price cut for them, meaning Nintendo may also put higher than expected price for the next successor, all of that helping Switch to more easily reach and beat the 160M. I am not excluding the case where Switch don't passes 155M for example, however with the things I mentioned, now it becomes a little more unlikely, and reaching 160M becomes more likely than before. It's simply that.

I picked 7th gen for an example, I haven't said that it hasn't been done before in history, Maybe with the Gameboy It was, but the most recent example is 7th gen. And I exactly said in my post "It's not something new, the handheld market to be bigger than the hardcore home consoles". So I exactly point out the HD twins here, not including Wii. since the hardcore home market is the same people that bought PS3 and 360 and pretty much the same people that are buying PS5 and XBSX now, and the same ones who bought PS4 and XB1.

As I said in the beginning of the post it will be success for the Switch, no doubt about it, but when you look at it in general, it's simply people that are in the handheld market before, they are here now, and are buying, simply now you have only one main choice - Switch, before you had 2. Of course there is different periods where the consoles performed worse like the 3DS and the PSP or even the failure that was the Vita. And also I am not talking for the Switch not being successful or something, I am simply talking about the post I quoted and the Switch possibility of passing 170M. The factors are many.

Again the first paragraph is you expressing your opinion about how it is now more likely. Which I agree but you cherrypicking the 7th gen is ridiculous. Your logic makes no sense no matter how you slice it. Its poor analysis period, you want to compare the entire handheld market to just a made up subset of the home console market, completely ignoring 360 being carried by Kinect? So shouldnt that be left out of your hardcore subset? You also dont get to just ignore every other handheld market besides one (7th gen). The latest gen (8th gen), saw the handheld market collapse to under 100 million (3DS & Vita). The other gens before the 7th and 8th gens never saw the handheld market above 150 million. I could even argue never above 125 million considering the GameBoy shouldn't include GBC (its successor). Your whole point here is nothing more than the Switch is handheld pulling from this huge handheld market that only Nintendo can access so poor MS/Sony are at a disadvantage. That is a lie, only the 7th gen supports your agenda and even it needed its data cherrypicked to fit your criteria. The only thing you are doing is proving how butthurt people get about the Switch's success. It's a handheld when needing to explain why it kicked Playstation's teeth in but a home console when needing to explain why its future iterations are in trouble. That's when WiiU and Switch comparisons return. Switch isn't pulling from a handheld or home console market, it's pulling from all of the gaming market. MS and Sony have just plainly done a poor job of doing the same.