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only777 said:

Let's move past the internet reaction farmers and actually do our homework on this thing based upon what we can actually see.

Lets take a game that is on both PS5 and PC and work this out.  Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, we were shown PS5 Pro Footage here:

Using PSSR, we have a gaming that visually is running at 4k 60fps with ray tracing on the PS5 Pro.  It's right there in the video.

So if we want the same on PC, what do we need to use?  Well we have the recommending specs right here: https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/games/ratchet-and-clank-rift-apart/pc/

It says we need:

  • Avg. performance: 4K @ 60 fps
  • Graphic settings: High/Ray-tracing very high1
  • GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 or AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX
  • CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K or AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
  • RAM: 32 GB
  • OS: Windows 10 64-bit (version 1909 or higher)
  • Storage: 75 GB SSD space

So let's price that:

Before we have even added a motherboard, SSD, PSU, etc we are up to £1325!

I'm not saying that £800 for a PS5 Pro is cheap, it's not.  That's a lot of money for a games console, but I think a bit of perspective here is in order.

To build a PC yourself (if you know how!) to match the advertised output of a PS5 Pro is going to cost upwards of £1500!

Again, I'm not saying PS5 Pro is cheap, it absolutely is not.  I'm just saying that if you are in the market for a high end device, then all of a sudden it does become a viable option.

You're comparing native 4k/60fps with RT on PC with PSSR upscaled 4k/60fps with RT on PS5 Pro. On PC you can also upscale with DLSS (NVidia), FSR (AMD) or XeSS (Intel). We also don't know if PSSR includes some frame generation, which AMD and NVidia also offer.

Another thing to note is that we don't know is what the settings are on PS5 Pro. On baseline PS5 we're currently hovering around medium settings compared to the PC versions. Going by the 45% performance increase claimed in the presentation, the Pro will will be more like high settings but not reaching Ultra settings.

In the other thread, I calculated what a PC with similar or better performance would cost. I'm copying the build here below:

  • CPU: Ryzen 7 5700X3D tray (174€)
  • Mainboard: gigabyte B550 mATX (76€)
  • GPU: Radeon RX 7700XT Hellhound (399€)
  • Storage: 2TB Kingston NV2 PCIe 4.0 (104€)
  • RAM: 32GB G.Skill Aegis DR4-3200 (49€)
  • Tower: AeroCool Shard (36€)
  • Tower Fans: 3x Xilence XPF PWM 120mm fans (11€ for 3)
  • CPU cooler: Be Quiet! Pure Rock slim 2 (24€)
  • PSU: Be Quiet! System power 750W 80+ Bronze (69€)
  • OS: Linux (Garuda or Nobara distros are great both for gaming and as a daily driver, or SteamOS if you prefer): 0€

Which gives us a fully functioning gaming PC for... 942€, so just 143€ more than the PS5 Pro in Europe (and about the same as PS5 + disc drive + stand!), while probably being about as strong or even more powerful, especially on the CPU side. And PC games tend to be cheaper and you don't have to pay extra for such basic things like cloud saves or online play...

In other words, PS5 pro ain't much cheaper than PC gaming.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 11 September 2024