Concord is Sony's biggest failure in gaming history.

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IkePoR said:

Ryuu96 said:

First of all, knock it off with the alphabet community shit, we have multiple members of the LGBTQ+ community on this site.

Yes, it is literally that, being angry about the words "They/Them", I don't use pronouns, I don't give a fuck what someone else wants to use, it's literally just a word, if they feel comfortable with being called "They/Them" then I don't give a fuck because I respect people and want them to be happy. I'm fine with He/Him...Literally that easy.

It doesn't hurt you, and how do you know these people are nowhere to be found? Do you know every single person who games? No. You don't. There ARE people who are gamers and also use different pronouns. Just because they aren't playing Concord doesn't mean they don't exist, guess what, barely anyone is playing Concord, doesn't mean black gamers don't exist or white gamers don't exist or female gamers don't exist because Concord has a low player base, what kind of argument is that? Lol.

I strongly disagree that it upsets a "significant subset of the buying public", I think most people wouldn't give a shit, it's only the Twitter vocal minorities who scream the loudest, the vast majority of people would simply pick "He/Him" and never see that again and then go on an play their videogame. The vast majority of gamers aren't plugged into Twitter/Gaming Forums at all.

From a quick browse, I see that Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, Forza Horizon 5, Starfield and Baldur's Gate 3 all have "They/Them" options. Minecraft, Animal Crossing and No Man's Sky use the gender neutral "They/Them" by default. How did having the They/Them pronouns upset a significant amount of these games buying public? It didn't. They bought the games and largely didn't care, Lol.

"to a group that doesn't exist" So now we've gone from "It's a small group" to "It doesn't exist" except fact is they do exist, we straight up have a user on these forums who go by They/Them pronouns and I won't name them but I'm happy if they feel more represented by videogames because the world is a beautiful and diverse place and it's lovely when everyone is represented and made to feel they belong.

FYI. VGChartz has "non-binary" as a gender option too and has for years.

If it's against the rules somehow, fair enough, I won't say those words.  But you kind of made my first point for me if it isn't lol

I said it earlier in this thread, I think to you, that these "woke" ideals are a metric by which a game is measured against.  I even mentioned BG3 too.  It's not at the forefront or pervasive enough in most games to warrant the reaction anti-woke put out.  I don't even think they are the main reason people don't play a game.  Part of it perhaps, but not the main reason.

Crafty that you say "most people don't care" as yes, more than 51% won't care, you are correct.  But you're not going to smuggle in that there isn't at least 25% of that same group that DOES dislike these things.  It can be irrational, it can be stupid, it can be all the adjectives you like.  For them, it's important and as a business you target the known buying public for games like a Concord - dudes, who like violence, guns and pretty women. 

It goes back to my incompetence point: Sony can't be this ridiculously stupid to think there was an audience to prop up this game next to a Overwatch at $40 with a product that abjectly hates "straight white men."

The context of "it doesn't exist" is that the group is so small, it might as well not exist in a business sense.  There's more people in this very thread who've said the same thing I said about the at least 25% group than there are known They/Them's on this forum, based on your words.  Again, making my point for me that the group is very tiny, even smaller the fraction of a percent of them that even play games.

So to wrap this up - your reason we ought to use pronouns in character select screens is because "who cares"? If that's your reason, that's not a reason for us to do something. Because if even 5% of potential customers skip your product because of it, it's a idiotic decision. 

I agree with most of this, but your last comment....why do it if even 5% of customers will skip it....If to the developer (or Sony) its more important to push the agenda to normalize pronouns and diversity that it is to get those extra sales, then thats their right to make that decision.