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Norion on 19 July 2024
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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Norion said:

Starfield had weak reception so didn't boost sales outside of September and this year has the first COD game on Game Pass and they're obviously gonna push that so there's no reason to assume the holiday sales will be worse than last year to such a large degree. A 30% drop would still be really bad and is what I'm expecting and it's currently 30% down so far this year and was 30% down in May so I'm not ignoring the trend at all actually, my expectations are right in line with it.

For why College Football 25 will make a difference it's cause it's a popular game that's releasing on Xbox. The notion that cause the PS5 is more popular big multiplat releases won't benefit the Xbox Series is absurd, it's obviously gonna benefit cause some people will still choose to a buy an Xbox instead of a PS5. For some evidence of that here's a tweet from Welfare who tracks the US console market very closely. https://x.com/Welfare_JBP/status/1813254132079501367

Starfield is a game that literally would have had 100X the effect on xbox sales than college football. Yet, here you are downplaying the effect of starfield on sales and bigging up  the effect of college football. At the time, critically starfield did not have a weak reception (mid 80's on metacritic). People's thoughts of it changed a lot over time when they realised that starfield was a shallow game with little substance. Again, Starfield was one of the most hyped games I'd ever seen in my life. The game was never going to live up to the hype but the hype alone was enough to save the game and give it good sales and public reception

You don't seem to know that CF 25 is a highly anticipated game for a lot of people, over 2 million spent extra to play it a few days early so that's over 2 million sales already before the game even fully launches. On Xbox specifically it's not gonna have as big a launch as Starfield but this is absolutely a notable release so the gap in effect is not as large as you're making it to be.

And yes, Starfield absolutely has had weak reception overall. While it had a good launch and reviews negativity towards it quickly increased soon afterwards resulting in it having bad legs making it so its console sales boost was limited to its launch. You've made your feelings about Xbox well known so I'm surprised you're arguing that Starfield had good public reception when it has been one of Xbox's bigger blunders of the past couple years.

Esparadrapo said:
Norion said:

Starfield had weak reception so didn't boost sales outside of September and this year has the first COD game on Game Pass and they're obviously gonna push that so there's no reason to assume the holiday sales will be worse than last year to such a large degree. A 30% drop would still be really bad and is what I'm expecting and it's currently 30% down so far this year and was 30% down in May so I'm not ignoring the trend at all actually, my expectations are right in line with it.

For why College Football 25 will make a difference it's cause it's a popular game that's releasing on Xbox. The notion that cause the PS5 is more popular big multiplat releases won't benefit the Xbox Series is absurd, it's obviously gonna benefit cause some people will still choose to a buy an Xbox instead of a PS5. For some evidence of that here's a tweet from Welfare who tracks the US console market very closely. https://x.com/Welfare_JBP/status/1813254132079501367

What I'm trying to say is that the trend is -30% since two years ago so it should be -50% compared to two years ago this year. Trying to pass the anomalies from last year as a baseline is lying to yourself. There's no Starfield this year and I also highly doubt we will see those insane discounts again more so when they are launching new SKUs.

The College Football 25 reasoning is the same with Palworld earlier this year. The CoD on Game Pass advantage seems to be moot this deep in the generation at least as console sales is regarded.

2023 was not down from 2022 by 30%, it was less than 15% down actually and the lying going on is saying that someone is ignoring a trend when in fact their expectations are right in line with it. And again, Starfield had weak reception so you're exaggerating the positive impact it had on Xbox Series sales last year.

The tweet I linked clearly shows that CF 25 is undeniably boosting sales right now so there's no argument to be had over that part, it's either accepting reality or denying it. Never mind the fact that January being the best month of this year so far for the Xbox Series indicates that Palworld probably gave it a boost that month. Also the COD on Game Pass part isn't gonna turn things around or anything like that but that's not the argument I'm making, I'm saying it'll help it sell better this holiday season which is a given really.

Last edited by Norion - on 19 July 2024