Biden vs Trump 2024 Political Platforms, Policies and Issues

[Chrkeller]

zorg1000 said:

Chrkeller said:

Extreme is an opinion, thus I can't prove which is more extreme, that is the point that took you too long to understand.  I used debt forgiveness as an example because the courts have ruled against the administration and Biden found a work around.  Personally I find the executive branch working around the court of law rather extreme.

Is that as extreme as abortion, I don't think so.  But I also have daughters, which is going to influence my opinion.  But others may find it more extreme than abortion.

Extreme is relative and both sides are extreme to large sectors of the populous.

Yeah, I ignored the list, for two reasons.  I couldn't get past you claiming opinion as fact and I certainly wasn't going to argue with someone who didn't know the difference.  The second reason is because we already discussed that messaging is the problem.  Liberals love talking about niche demographics...  

Look at it this way....  your claim is MAGA is extreme and liberals aren't....  yet Biden is losing in the polls....  you keep viewing things from your perspective, instead of the average American.  Clearly the average American sees things differently than you do.  Just saying.  

Extreme does have a definition

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/extreme

“Farthest from the center or middle”, “exceeding the bounds of moderation”

By that definition you can figure out what is more extreme by level of support which lines up with your statement about the average American’s views and it’s not that hard to find polling on these topics.

Student Debt Forgiveness

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/03/26/canceling-student-loan-debt-a-key-issue-ahead-of-election-survey.html

March 2024-50% support partial or complete debt forgiveness

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/samuels-student-debt-forgiveness-0303/

Feb 2023-62% say at least some debt should be forgiven

another Feb 2023 poll-53% somewhat or strongly support Biden’s student debt plan

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/shows/meetthepress/blog/rcna92006

June 2023-47% supported Biden’s student debt plan

Abortion

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/#:~:text=Among%20moderate%20and%20liberal%20Republicans,and%20moderate%20Democrats%20(76%25).

April 2024-63% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-march-2024-abortion-in-the-2024-election-and-beyond/

March 2024-67% support a law guaranteeing a federal right to abortion

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/abortion-poll-quiz-2024/

Feb 2024-71% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/01/politics/cnn-poll-abortion-laws

May 2024-65% oppose the Dobbs ruling

Insurrection

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jan-6-opinion-poll-republican-disapproval-wanes-2024-01-06/

Jan 2024-78% disapprove of J6 rioters, 70% believe US democracy is threatened

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/1/10/voters-are-concerned-about-a-repeat-of-the-january-6-insurrection-and-other-threats-to-democracy

Jan 2024-74% disapprove of inciting violence and threatening democracy

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/polls-show-americans-are-divided-on-the-significance-of-january-6/

Dec 2022-64% Believe Trump is somewhat or very responsible for J6

~1/2 of people support student debt relief, it’s a divisive topic but not extreme

~2/3 of people support Roe & believe abortion should be protected at the federal level, abortion bans are extreme.

~3/4 of people disapprove of J6 rioters, believe it was a threat to democracy and ~2/3 of people believe Trump is at least partially responsible.

As for ignoring the list yet again, your original statement was, “both parties are extreme and neither are focused on the middle class”, you said absolutely nothing about messaging and that list does in fact prove that Democrats are focused on the middle class. Being poor messengers or the average American not paying attention has nothing to do with your statement.

Joe Biden doing poorly in polling doesn’t mean people think Democrats are extreme. The biggest issues people have with Biden are his age & inflation, Senators in swing states outperforming him in polling shows it’s not a Democrat issue but a Biden issue.

Yes, both parties are extreme.  That is my opinion.  Biden being told no by the courts and still pushing forward is extrme.  Extreme is an opinion, though you seem to have forgotten the difference between opinion and fact already.  

And yes, I don't think liberals focus enough on the average person.  I think they focus really well on niche demographics but not the average person.

Fact is Biden is currently losing to a convicted felon who tried to overthrow the government....  I highly doubt the sole reason is "age."  

Your polls show people really are against abortion restrictions and do not support Jan 6th...  who wants to keep abortion to the States?  Trump.  Who drove Jan 6th?  Trump.  Who is winning the polls, especially key swing states?  Trump.

Please tell me you see the flaw in your argument?  

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