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| LurkerJ said: Genuine Labour supporter My major fear with the west dragging their feet to help Ukraine has always been our inability to understand time is never on our side in a political landscape where most politicians can be bought and influenced by outside forces (AIPAC is a great example). |
I was happy to see them lose in 2019, but I understand how you got that impression, I simply wasn’t and still not for reversing Brexit which Sir Kier is not interesting in doing that and he’s surrounded himself by competent figures that understand why the western economy is simply not working and that mega corporations growth isn’t growing my pockets. I wasn’t enthused about Biden’s presidency either but that’s his fault as his campaign made it seem like the status quo with China was here to stay but to my surprise, he IS bringing manufacturing back. Turned out to be the anti globalist and the America first candidate after all. Marine Le Pen.
She has said to believe that Ukraine has been "subjugated" by the United States. She was strongly critical of NATO policy in the region, of Eastern European anti-Russian sentiment, and of threatened economic sanctions. In response to the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, Le Pen criticized Russia's action despite her previous pro-Russia stance. She advocated welcoming Ukrainian refugees fleeing the war. She has stated that if elected she would remove France from NATO's integrated military command. On 3 January 2017, she told BFM TV "I do not believe that there was an illegal annexation: there was a referendum, the citizens of Crimea wanted to join Russia."
“If Russia wins the war, it will be catastrophic because all countries with a territorial conflict will think that they can solve it with weapons,” she says. “If Ukraine wins, it will mean that NATO has entered the war, because I am convinced that Ukraine, without the power of NATO, cannot militarily defeat Russia. And this means that World War III has been unleashed.” Third option: “If we continue to slowly deliver weapons to Ukraine, as we are doing now, then we are facing a new Hundred Years’ War [a long-running medieval conflict between England and France], which, considering the human losses, is a terrible drama.” Pressed to specify how she would resolve the conflict, Le Pen retorts: “I’m not going to give you a peace plan right here, on a coffee table.”
Le Pen supports the restoration of France-Syria relations and called for cooperation with Israel, the United States, Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia
Marine Le Pen described Russian President Vladimir Putin as a "defender of the Christian heritage of European civilisation."
The National Front considers that Ukraine has been subjugated by the United States, through the Revolution of Dignity. The National Front denounces anti-Russian feelings in Eastern Europe and the submission of Western Europe to "Washington's" interests in the region.
Marine Le Pen is very critical against the threats of sanctions directed by the international community against Russia: "European countries should seek a solution through diplomacy rather than making threats that could lead to an escalation." She argues that the United States is leading a new Cold War against Russia. She sees no other solution for peace in Ukraine than to organise a kind of federation that would allow each region to have a large degree of autonomy
She thinks Ukraine should be sovereign and free as any other nation. During the 2022 French presidential election, Le Pen supported sending non-lethal defensive aid to Ukraine, but not heavy weapons that would make France a "co-belligerent" in the conflict.
The RN remains divided on relations with Russia, with Bardella stating that he believed Russia was a threat to French security, while Thierry Mariani suggested it was not a threat to France or Europe
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Major sticking point is her intent to pull France out of NATO. She has condemned Russia but also blames NATO. She seems like a naïve person who thinks we can stop Russia through words and had to payback a Russian loan recently, so it leaves a lot of people in doubt about her allegiance when it comes to Ukraine but it seems to not be set in stone where her allegiances lay.
France Elections: Le Pen's National Rally Backs Arming Ukraine, Bardella Says - Bloomberg
You mentioned Meloni, which is fair, she was considered pro-Russian before election then she suddenly shifted, although Italy isn't a big supporter of Ukraine in terms of equipment, Meloni is still a supporter and doesn't stand in the way, so maybe Le Pen is just talking shit until election, I've noticed it with a few European politicians, Slovakia's PM hates Zelenskyy but give him a little money and he shuts the fuck up, Lol.
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